Step back from the monitor and think a minute. Nobody here foisted a candidate. He decided to run. He's a factor.
Some people, in fact some people I like, said they'd support him.
Well, okay. Where's the crime in that?
What the hell is wrong with discussing the candidates nearly a year before the first primary civilly?
Instead of banning, try persuading. Instead of telling people to leave and then chastising them for doing what you ask, why not be civil? Is that too much to ask?
This whole thread disgusts me.
There is no reason to demand a purity test at this forum. What's even more freaking amazing is that the machete-wielders on this thread aren't for anyone. We have yet to see them set out who they support, just who they oppose, and who they want led to the bugzapper.
This is perhaps one of the lowest moments I've seen at this forum.
I pray that it will recover.
This whole thing was so needless. Of course, the machete-wielders will disagree. Carry on.
“Of course, the machete-wielders will disagree.”
I do hope you are not putting me in the machete-wielder group.
FR is a site for conservatives to assemble and discuss issues and candidates from a conservative perspective. It is not, and has never been, a place that tolerates liberals or the support of liberals (apart from allowing murrymom to squeak every now and again).
In that sense I guess you could say there is a "purity test" in effect here. That should come as a surprise to no one--at least no one who has read FR's charter.
Nothing wrong with it at all.
Instead of banning, try persuading.
I agree with you completely. Unfortunately, the folks supporting Rudy weren't attempting to persuade.
Let's be honest about what really happened here:
1. There was a group of posters who have used vicious and divisive tactics for quite some time.
2. Since these tactics were generally employed in the defense of Pres. Bush, they were allowed.
3. These posters assumed they could use the same tactics to promote Rudy. What they failed to consider is that Rudy is far more liberal than Pres. Bush, and so cover wouldn't be provided for the strongarm tactics.
"Stop your unappeasable single issue voting" is not a persuasive statement. Nor is "you've had your boot on our necks for far too long" intended as a persuasive statement.
FR is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-liberty, pro-national-security, pro-decency, pro-character in presidential candidates, pro-constitution, pro-rule of law, pro-capitalism, pro-freedom, etc.
Rudy Giulani is disqualified and rejected out of hand as a potential acceptable nominee because his often stated and demonstrated support for abortion and the gay agenda shows his total disregard, disrespect and utter contempt for God, Christianity, conservatives, the pro-life, pro-family conservative movements, conservatism in general, family values, and our traditional American heritage. His tortured, twisted liberal-based logic to try to justify his support for Roe vs Wade, abortion rights, taxpayer funded abortion, extra-constitutional gay rights, etc, demonstrates his total disregard and utter contempt for the constitution, strict constructionism and original intent.
His support for and active participation in NARAL, Planned Parenthood, and other radical socialist abortionist, feminist, homosexualist, gay, lesbian, transsexual, transgender rights activist and lobby groups is a slap in the face to the conservative movement and again shows his disregard, disrespect and utter contempt for Christianity, conservatives and conservatism in general, decency, family values, our American heritage, even a disregard for capitalism and freedom itself.
Why do I say a disregard for capitalism and freedom? Because the groups and causes he associates with, allies himself with, supports, advocates and lobbies for are all leftist, socialist supported and socialist funded groups and causes. Who backs and funds these groups? People like George Soros, Ted Turner, and the dregs of the democrat, liberal and socialist caucuses of our congress and the world’s leftist socialism movements in general. Abortion rights/gay rights are socialist causes. As leftist/socialist causes, they’re also supported by and allied with the international antiwar groups. They march in solidarity with International Answer and the World Workers Party. When you see pictures and videos of a smiling and giggling Rudy Giuliani leading Gay Rights parades down 5th Avenue, just remember he’s marching arm in arm with socialists, antiwar activists, anarchists, and the dregs of the world’s leftist/socialist/communist movements. He supports and lobbies for and helps fund same. It’s totally unreasonable to ask any conservative who loves God, America, family, decency, liberty and freedom to support such a disgrace of a leftist/socialist and national security risk for president.
All of the above plus more can be applied and said about his disregard, disrespect and utter contempt for America, the Constitution, conservatives, the rule of law, capitalism and liberty when it comes to gun control and his support and socialist tendencies for illegal aliens and sanctuary cities, etc.
Anyone who can’t see why FR outright rejects this man and doesn’t want to see his supporters pushing pro-Rudy propaganda while attacking, smearing, sliming, running down and disparaging conservatism and conservative candidates, the pro-life, pro-family and pro-gun movements and our conservative posters is blind to what FR and conservatism is all about.
FR supports the pro family pro constitution conservative wing of the GOP. Rudy supporters, for the most part, represent the views of the liberal RINO wing and reflect the views of leftist world socialism.
One FR poster on the other side summed it up quite nicely when she declared, “Conservatives have held their foot on the neck of the GOP for too long. The new GOP will be more moderate. We’ll govern from the center. Abortion and guns will never again be important causes for the GOP.”
I reject that declaration and reject anyone who supports it.