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To: rbmillerjr
Substantiate those claims with evidence. If you can then you would being enlightening me.

The evidence you seek is available, to the extent that such a thing is possible, from voting patterns.

Polls on your issues (abortion, border control, deportation, and gays) are misleading because responding to a poll doesn't cause anything to happen.

Our people are a kindly and generous tribe. They elect leaders to act on their behalf.

Twenty-seven years of electing Presidents rhetorically committed to ending abortion have yielded two (perhaps four) Supremes who would reverse Roe v. Wade. It has also given us Souter, Kennedy, and O'Connor. There are no Justices who would outlaw abortion as a violation of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

At the border, the wholesale breaking of laws bothers our people, for sure. But elect someone who would do something to Juan who cuts the grass or Maria who changes the diapers? Forget about it.

And as far as the gay crazies go, it's apparant that in that arena, our people have had enough, at least with regard to marriage. But "active tolerance" with civil unions and gay propaganda in schools appears overwhelmingly popular.

The People call the shots in this country. The House, in particular, and the state and local elections, tell you everything about what the People support, and don't support.

And the news is not good, as you know. But it's evidence that's as good as you're going to get.

10,882 posted on 04/26/2007 3:45:43 AM PDT by Jim Noble (We don't need to know what Cho thought. We need to know what Librescu thought.)
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10,884 posted on 04/26/2007 3:56:43 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: Jim Noble

“But it’s evidence that’s as good as you’re going to get.”

I understand your point. However, you made a pretty declarative statement that people in American are for federally funded abortion, open borders, sanctuary cities, and forcing special gay rights and the agenda on us and our children. I’ve always assumed these things not to be the case after years of following politics and the polling that comes with it. Now your admitting you didn’t have the data to support your claims. You do give some anecdotal examples, some I agree with and some I don’t.

I’d like to focus on something constructive where we do have agreement. You’re comment, “the news is not good (for conservatives). I very much agree with that statment. The liberals control the decisive socialization nodes in most of America. They control the mainstream media, the K-12 education system, and they control academia. Until the conservative movemtn let’s go of its “go to private school mantra” and attempt to influence all of these nodes, we will lose. Conservatism needs a bold long term plan of action to get conservatives and their children interested into going into the media, and education.


10,899 posted on 04/26/2007 5:55:05 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("You tell them I'm comin...and hell's comin with me"!)
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