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Move on from abortion? Not on your life!
vanity | April 20, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/20/2007 9:51:11 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

I hate to say it again, but guess it has to be said:

Free Republic is a conservative site.

As a conservative site, we are pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-liberty, pro-America.

Like-minded folks know immediately what this means and why we will never "move on from abortion" as Rudy Giuliani and his supporters ask us to do.

Think about it.

You might as well be asking us to deny God. To deny the Creator that gave us life and liberty. To give up our children. To surrender our country to the left. To give up our freedom. To give up our faith and our belief in God's Word.

Why insult us like this?

IMHO, the root difference between conservatism and liberalism IS our belief in God. For the most part, we conservatives defend our Christian/Judeo founding and our God-centered traditional American society and family values system, and the belief that our most fundamental rights were bestowed upon us by our Creator. Rights given by man can be taken by man. Rights bestowed by God are unalienable rights.

Liberals, on the other hand, especially the Marxist/socialist liberal leadership and the big leftist feminist, homosexualist, abortionist, anti-religion organizations deny God exists. They deny our Christian/Judeo heritage, work overtime to destroy our traditional family values, and seek to destroy our freedoms, including, and especially our right to the free exercise of religion.

Our deeply rooted conservative belief in God and refusal to roll over for feminism, abortionism, homosexualism, socialism, etc., is the only thing stopping the left from completely overwhelming us with their godless, socialist perversions and completely wiping out our traditional Christian/Judeo God-centered free society.

If we cave-in to the left by nominating a supporter of abortion rights, gay rights, gun control, illegal aliens, etc., as our candidate for the presidency and de facto leader of the Republican party, then we will have destroyed our own pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-liberty movement and will have destroyed all of our prior pro-life, pro family, pro-liberty work. The Republican party will have made itself a joke. It'll be left standing for nothing. Worse, it'll be left standing with NARAL, NOW, the ACLU, and every other feminist/homosexualist Marxist/socialist communist group.

Surrender to the abortionists? Not on your life!

This is Free Republic. We ARE the dissent! We fight for life and liberty! We fight for our traditional American family values! We proudly and diligently defend our Christian/Judeo heritage, our country, our constitution, and our right to be free and to freely worship our God!

IMHO, those of you who cannot or will not understand these simple truths will never understand what FR is all about, what the pro-life movement is all about, what conservatism is all about, or even what freedom is all about.


TOPICS: Announcements; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bitchslaprudy; elections; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; nosurrender; rudy; rudyonabortion; stoprudy2008
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To: EveningStar
It’s not right to call good FReepers baby killers and liberal trolls

I see you have picked up the Conservative bashing talking points.

Why don't you post a link to that statement, and give the person that said it a piece of your mind.

441 posted on 04/22/2007 9:45:58 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Jim Robinson
So now you’re going to attack our founding fathers is some misguided attempt to bolster your abortionist candidate? That’s lower than whale snot. Something I would expect from a leftist lib troll.

Well we certainly can't allow difference of opinion on this forum. Let's ban him for speaking his mind.

442 posted on 04/23/2007 7:50:48 AM PDT by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

The New Yorker? (snicker!!!)


443 posted on 04/23/2007 7:51:36 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
Not necessarily, but I remember a lot of people screaming about Elian Gonzales who have been conspicously silent when Team Bush holds people without charges or trial-people who later turn out to be innocent.

Name one who wasn't caught on the battlefield or in violation of our immigration laws. Oh, and try to cite a website that's not a liberal Mecca this time so you can avoid the embarassment of calling yet another person a political prisoner when they're not.

This administration has treated the Constitution and the concept of human rights like a list of suggestions, and we as a country are worse off for it.

Sure they have. Citations please?

444 posted on 04/23/2007 7:55:00 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: Kevmo
Did you notice that Rebel got banned? Darn, I was looking forward to a spluttering post about how Bilal Hussein was really a political prisoner.

I don't know who called in the mods, But I give them credit for another smooth kill!

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445 posted on 04/23/2007 7:58:27 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: rhombus
So, if Obama decided to be the GOP nominee, you wouldn't want anybody to say "Bad idea to nominate this guy" unless we could come up with a conservative champion to compare him to?

Grow up. If you can't defend your position, quit typing drivel.

446 posted on 04/23/2007 8:02:01 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Did I say you couldn’t say whatever you wanted to say? Such nastiness from this thread - I can smell the fear. I realize you guys are very concerned about Rudy but don’t tell me I shouldn’t vote for him if Hillary is running against him, if Obama is running against him. Choosing the lesser of two evils has been going on since... the election of Adams over Jefferson. Don’t tell me to grow up. You are the one who needs to deal with reality and stop beating up on people who are ready to deal with this reality well before you are. I said I’m not a Rudy supporter. All I’ve said is I will support him before certain others. If you’ve got someone you want to convince me to vote for, go for it. If you don’t, which apparently you don’t... then don’t jump all over someone who is picking from a list of those who are currently running.
447 posted on 04/23/2007 8:16:24 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: liberty4alland4ever
Slander? Sorry, but a guy who wants us to lose a war is a traitor. That goes double if he tells lies to achieve that goal. That goes triple if he has the same position on the war as these people and welcomes them into his office.

BTW, if you don't think Ron Paul is wrong on the war (especially given his statements about the wider WOT being crap) why would you back a candidate who wants to win in Iraq and take the fight to other terrorist strongholds if necessary?

Hunter - Because he's polling at less than the margin of error...

No media coverage. I'm not figuring he's ever going to get going (right now he's letting his marketing position be is "I'm really solid but I can't win in a million years") but it is very, very early.

I don't want McCain...I think Fred will get in, but until he does, good point. Now, what about Romney?

448 posted on 04/23/2007 8:30:18 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: kenth

You may be right on that one. I think maybe the problem is that those who are pro-abortion think the electorate goes their way, and those that aren’t think that the 9/11 stuff makes him a sure winner. in other words, they think the electorate is emotion-based, but never consider what emotions might come up as a result of his less sterling qualities.


449 posted on 04/23/2007 8:32:48 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: liberty4alland4ever
Citation, Please?

Child's play!

Take a look at this definition of "zygote." Note that this is part of a series called "Stages of human development." Care to guess what the first line of the "Stages of human development" article is?

Human development is the process of growing to maturity. In biological terms, this entails growth from a one-celled zygote to an adult human being.

Before you say that it's Wikipedia and doesn't count, consider the fact that Nature counts Wikipedia to be about as reliable as the Encyclopedia Brittanica on scientific issues Then try this on for size. As you may have guessed, it's a Google search on the phrase "human zygote" which returned 16,700 hits. Now, there are some pro-life sources (and pro-abortion sources) on that page, but note how many of them are non-political, and how many are serious scientific works. On the first page alone, you've got the Purdue biology department, a medical stock photo company (medicine is still a peer reviewed science, right?), the National Institutes of Health and the journal Human Reproduction.

Humans are human from the time of conception. That is scientific fact. Any law that ignores this idea is every bit as invalid as a law based on the Earth being flat.

450 posted on 04/23/2007 9:02:57 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
I agree with you to a point on that. If I were an atheist, I would be pro-life.

See post 450, please. When did the God of Israel become a flat earther?

451 posted on 04/23/2007 9:05:02 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
as there is between religious conservatism and leave-people-alone conservatism

Were I willing to spin in the same fashion as you, I might describe it as "Founder conservatism" vs. "humping-based conservatism."

But I'm not.

452 posted on 04/23/2007 9:09:40 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: Jim Robinson
"As a conservative site, we are pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-liberty, pro-America."

Agreed. Let's roll.

453 posted on 04/23/2007 9:12:14 AM PDT by maxter
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To: Jim Robinson

Amen

When you have no anchor, any old wind will blow you.


454 posted on 04/23/2007 9:13:29 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Won't vote for a liberal in the democrat party, won't vote for one in the Republican party. Ever)
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To: FreeReign; wagglebee
The fact there are no conservative Democrats currently in Congress, does not mean that they don’t exist.

Conservative Democrat voters exist, but I'm certain there's no Dem in a statewide or federal position of power who is a real conservative. Honest conservatives would not move up that far in the party of Pelosi and Clinton.

455 posted on 04/23/2007 9:18:28 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: what's up
I will wait. Lots is going to happen in the next months and I believe it's naive to get too gung ho about any candidate yet. There may even be one who has not yet appeared.

Me too. What bugs me is that the Rudybots keep saying criticism of Rudy should be off-limits unless one has a candidate they're backing. Well, I like some of the current candidates more than others, and have only 100% written off a couple. If you put a gun to my head and made me choose I'm a Fredhead, but it's still early. The idea that I shouldn't be able to criticize a NARAL chum because I haven't picked my guy in April of 2007 is silly to say the least.

456 posted on 04/23/2007 9:29:28 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: Jim Robinson

Careful, Jim. You’ll get the libertarians in a snit!


457 posted on 04/23/2007 9:30:36 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Wave Britainnia...Britannia waives the rules!")
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To: Mr. Silverback
What bugs me is that the Rudybots keep saying criticism of Rudy should be off-limits unless one has a candidate they're backing. Well, I like some of the current candidates more than others, and have only 100% written off a couple. If you put a gun to my head and made me choose I'm a Fredhead, but it's still early. The idea that I shouldn't be able to criticize a NARAL chum because I haven't picked my guy in April of 2007 is silly to say the least.

It's entirely consistent with the crazy notion that the election is already over, and that you just need to look at today's poll numbers. Viewed through those lenses, you have to have already chosen your candidate for both the primary and general election... and then since your candidate apparently isn't leading in today's meaningless popularity "name recognition" poll, you are tacitly electing Hillary Clinton.

Absolutely wrong and insane, but consistent.

458 posted on 04/23/2007 9:32:42 AM PDT by kevkrom (A vote for Guiliani is a vote to kill conservatism.)
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To: rhombus
Did I say you couldn’t say whatever you wanted to say?

Yes, of course, this couldn't possibly have meant anything like that...

But seriously, send forth your conservative champion. I grow weary arguing the merits of somebody versus NOBODY.

Now...another issue...

Such nastiness from this thread - I can smell the fear. I realize you guys are very concerned about Rudy but don’t tell me I shouldn’t vote for him if Hillary is running against him, if Obama is running against him.

Great, find me a place where I said people shouldn't vote for Rudy in the general election.

459 posted on 04/23/2007 9:40:00 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’d just like to say I’m liking all the lightning we’re seeing in the forecast...


460 posted on 04/23/2007 9:42:39 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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