Posted on 04/20/2007 2:55:42 AM PDT by Star Traveler
“From Address” on Package sent to NBC from Cho
A. Ismail
88 Revol
Blacksburg, VA
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“88” — used as a greeting or a closing by Neo-Nazis (in e-mails or handles). Means 8th letter of alphabet (”H”); double 8’s mean “Heil Hitler”
“Revol” — revers of “lover”; or could mean “revolution”
Hence “Heil Hitler lover” [Hitler lover]; possible “Heil Hitler revolution”
Just in case somebody takes your comment too seriously...
The swastika was used as a religious symbol for "well being" in some far eastern religions long before the Nazis hijacked it.
My interpretation is a little different -- he wasn't looking to radical ideologies for justification, but as a means to stir up more outrage. Like the scene in "Dog Day Afternoon" where Pacino stirs up the crowd by chanting "ATTICA! ATTICA!" over a botched bank heist that had nothing to do with the prison revolt.
It's PR, not justification. Cho, in his sick little mind, already had all the justification he needed.
Some religious traditions prohibit the depiction of people in their temples — so they’re decorated with geometric patterns. The “swastika,” all right angles, is a fairly obvious one.
In Buddhism and Hinduism, the arms of the “swastika” imply motion, rotation, evoking the “wheel of life.” What goes around, simply put, comes around. Karma is a harsh taskmaster.
All of this symbolism was in place centuries before Hitler made up his syncretistic notion of “Aryan” paganism.
Which is why the Commonwealth of Virginia found him to be at risk of committing harm to himself and others.
The motivations are not as important as segregating these types from civilized society.....whatever the motivation.
Class-based hatred does not need any special attention. I do not want to be considered a class-hater because I think the majority of the poor are lazy.
But that is what you will get if you allow our current society to drift into such a debate.
I prefer to keep the matter focused on a clearly dangerous person who was identified by everyone including the courts, yet suffered no consequences.
That is the failure that needs to be focused upon.
pianos have 88 keys.. maybe he was trying to lead a musical revolution!!
or maybe it was reference to the revol album..
“Revol” was a song released by the Manic Street Preachers on August 1, 1994 and was the second single released from the The Holy Bible album that was released at the end of the month. The verses comprise lists of famous and controversial names in history being dismissed one-by-one in short—and often insulting—staccato lines (such as ‘Chamberlain, you see God in you’, ‘Pol Pot, withdrawn traces, bye-bye’ ... ‘Che Guevara, you’re all target now’, ‘Gorbachev, celibate self-importance’).
The track may be considered an autobiographical account of Richey’s attempts to hold down any meaningful relationships. “Revol” is “lover” backwards. The lyric also places the names of famous political figures next to images of failure in sexual & emotional relationships. Nicky Wire however has said not even he knows exactly what the song is about.
Why those goose stepping, kimchee eating brownshirts!
“Cho also killed mostly whites.”
Of course he did. And here’s why.
On-campus students:
Percentage of white students 69.4%
Percentage of black students 4.7%
Percentage of Asian students 6.3%
Percentage of Native American students 0.3%
Percentage of Hispanic students 2.2%
Percentage of international and other students 7.0%
Percentage of unknown 10.1%
He also killed at least one Muslim; at least two blacks; at least one Jew; at least two people from India, one from Egypt, and one from Indonesia; one or two of Asian descent; and three with Hispanic surnames.
He was a nutcase who killed with no regard to color or ethnicity.
I want to know when Cho converted to Islam!
Unfortunately, the senseles nature of his act allows people to project their own political or social agendas upon it. This event has become a social Rorshach test.
That’s very interesting. Thanks for posting it...
I looked up 88 as in verse 88 in the bible - psalms 88 showed up:
1[a] [b]
O LORD, the God who saves me,
day and night I cry out before you.
2 May my prayer come before you;
turn your ear to my cry.
3 For my soul is full of trouble
and my life draws near the grave. [c]
4 I am counted among those who go down to the pit;
I am like a man without strength.
5 I am set apart with the dead,
like the slain who lie in the grave,
whom you remember no more,
who are cut off from your care.
6 You have put me in the lowest pit,
in the darkest depths.
7 Your wrath lies heavily upon me;
you have overwhelmed me with all your waves.
Selah
8 You have taken from me my closest friends
and have made me repulsive to them.
I am confined and cannot escape;
9 my eyes are dim with grief.
I call to you, O LORD, every day;
I spread out my hands to you.
10 Do you show your wonders to the dead?
Do those who are dead rise up and praise you?
Selah
11 Is your love declared in the grave,
your faithfulness in Destruction [d] ?
12 Are your wonders known in the place of darkness,
or your righteous deeds in the land of oblivion?
13 But I cry to you for help, O LORD;
in the morning my prayer comes before you.
14 Why, O LORD, do you reject me
and hide your face from me?
15 From my youth I have been afflicted and close to death;
I have suffered your terrors and am in despair.
16 Your wrath has swept over me;
your terrors have destroyed me.
17 All day long they surround me like a flood;
they have completely engulfed me.
18 You have taken my companions and loved ones from me;
the darkness is my closest friend.
Definitely fits his state of mind.
You said — “Well, this theory has precisely as much merit and supporting evidence as the Islamic theory.”
Well, there’s a subtle difference that you’re not picking up here.
Going to those threads about the Islamic terrorist connection, people were (and probably still are) saying that this guy was something like an infiltrator or an agent for some Islamic terrorist group. In fact, I remember reading a few comments where people were saying that this guy was simply staging a “decoy” type of thing with the shooting of the girl in order to *distract* the authorities — so — it would not look like an “Islamic terrorist” operation. They were saying that he was *that sly* and *that smart* — to be able to side-track the authorities into believing it was simply a domestic disturbance — and that he was actually trying to get the authorities to think he was so ticked off that he went beserk.
But, this was *all a cover* for the *real operation* of the Islamic terrorist group that he was working with.
I’m telling you about the “Islamic” angle that I read here on Free Republic. That’s not my idea; that’s the idea of a bunch of other FReepers that I read on the threads.
Now, I said that was totally a bunch of baloney and that there was no evidence that he was a member of that kind of group. In fact, I said it was more clear that he was a real *nutso* and mentally disturbed.
And so, it’s the same with this. He’s not a “member” of a Neo-Nazi group. He’s not operating under some kind of “operation” that they sent him out on. Nope. It’s just like the Islamic angle — that’s a bunch of baloney.
BUT — what he is doing — is he is picking symbols and has been gathering “hate literature” for a long time. He’s been harboring up these hate feeling for a long time and gathering up (in his twisted mind) all these Neo-Nazi symbols (whatever caught his fancy) and anything else that would give him some justification (to the “public” at least). He was already *justified* in his own mind — but he felt the need to justify himself to the public — so they *would know* — what *they had done to him*.
And so, just like he had an “imaginary girlfriend” (his dorm-mates said that), he also was (in his own mind) a Neo-Nazi (living in his own constructed fantasy world) — not one in “real life” — but one in his own mind, a twisted and sick mind.
However, his mind was so sick and so twisted and so irrational, with his thought processes — that he could not even hold a *coherent theory* or philosophy. So, what you really hear from him — in his “manifesto” — is a “mish-mash” of different idealogies, none of it holding together and none of it making any sense.
So, if anyone says, was he an Islamic terrorists, was he a Neo-Nazi, was he a communist (someone said that), was he a Marxist (another person said that), or was he some other philosophy... well, I’ve got the answer, the one answer that fits him...
Cho was all of the above, and, none of the above...
Regards,
Star Traveler
You said — “I want to know when Cho converted to Islam!”
Well, the thing you’ve got to understand about Cho, is that in his own twisted and sick mind, he was part of it all. He had an imaginary girlfriend (like his dorm-mates reported on the news). He thought he was being crucified, so I guess he thought he was a Christian. Someone else said he sounded like a Communist. That may be so. Another person said that he was really a Marxist. Probably some of that.
And some have said he was an Islamist, well, he might have picked up a few tidbits there, too.
But, was he *any* of these — in real life? No, never! He only lived in his own sick mind, in a twisted make-believe and fantasy-world of his own making.
Just listen to his manifesto, and you can probably hear it all (all those idealogies) present.
Thus, I say that the best description of Cho is —
He was all of the above, and he was none of the above...
Regards,
Star Traveler
Yep, it was a waste of his life — and a waste of all the other lives. A tremendous waste all right...
You know, that may very well be a good description. But, I have a hard time believing that a guy, such as he was, filled with hate and anger against the world — for what they did to him (in his mind, anyway) — would actually read the Bible. That would be a hard one for me to believe.
So, while it may be descriptive, he probably never knew it.
What fits — in context — with his frame of mind, though — is that he would seek out “hate literature” (and the Bible is not that). One kind of hate group is the Neo-Nazis, and so “in context with his hate” and how the culture is to blame — this sounds much like Neo-Nazis.
But, all he’s doing is really picking out symbols and using them for his own purposes. He’s really not able to form and *hold* a *cohesive* idealogy and/or philosophy....
Regards,
Star Traveler
You said — “WHICH IS WHAT THE FRIGGIN ORIGINAL POST IS ALL ABOUT.”
Now, now..., let’s don’t become “Cho, junior”....
:-)
Regards,
Star Traveler
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