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Va. Tech shooter was picked on in school
yahoo ^ | 4/19/07 | Matt Apuzzo

Posted on 04/19/2007 2:41:41 PM PDT by alcenoo

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To: Dante3

“My daughter had a Korean girl in her class in grade school who was very shy and would not talk to anyone and wanted to be by herself. She is attending an Ivy league college, apparently doing well”.

Yeah, but did she torch her dorm room?


81 posted on 04/19/2007 6:38:52 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9

No, nor did she anything else nasty. Just would not talk. Got good grades. The teacher reported it to child welfare, tried to blame the parents. Some thought that was uncalled for since the girl cause no problems, and the girl was not bullied.


82 posted on 04/19/2007 6:46:56 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: Ron in Acreage
When I was a freshman in HS I played varsity football. One of the seniors was a bully and picked on me for a couple of days in the locker room. The third day I went after him with everything I had. He beat me badly but I kept getting up and going back after him. I let him know I wasn't going to take his bullying. He finally pushed me back and said 'Let's stop.' He left me alone after that. We were never friends but he never bothered me again.

Bullies tend to go for weak targets; When one fights back, they look for easier targets. One may get bloody standing up to one, but the bully typically doesn't want to be bothered when there are easier targets.

83 posted on 04/19/2007 6:47:29 PM PDT by RochesterFan
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To: LuxMaker

But why do you have the values you have? I’ve known people raised in the same families with different values. I’m sure it’s a combo of things.
susie


84 posted on 04/19/2007 7:02:47 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: alcenoo

And so was I. Where is their argument? That is the problem with todays youth they are not allowed to feel what is feels like to lose. I have seen at childrens sporting events no one is a loser everybody is special and deserved a trophy and a pat on the back.


85 posted on 04/19/2007 7:07:19 PM PDT by lndrvr1972
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To: brytlea

I guess it is my christian upbringing that helps. The whole “love your neighbor as yourself” thing falls inline with the equal force doctrine. I try to treat others as I would be treated. If I was the aggressor, I would fully expect someone to defend themselves. Also the fact that love always protects, as outlined in I Corinthians Chapter 13, shows that I have an obligation to protect myself if I am to love myself. I have to love myself first to then be able to apply it to my neighbor. Part of the malfunction is people don’t even love themselves.


86 posted on 04/19/2007 7:49:07 PM PDT by LuxMaker
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To: Beowulf9

Thank you.

I want my kids to be survivors, as do all conservatives (I have serious doubts that Dhimmis do though).


87 posted on 04/19/2007 7:50:06 PM PDT by rockrr (Never argue with a man who buys ammo in bulk...)
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To: Dante3
Unless there was another reason for the report, that was very uncalled for. The girl could have just been embarrassed to talk because she had an accent or perhaps she was just quiet. I was pretty quiet when I was in school, and I would have been horrified if my teacher accused my parents of abusing me.
88 posted on 04/19/2007 8:28:56 PM PDT by Accygirl
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To: Suzy Quzy
Of course, nothing excuses to killer, but mercilessly teasing a sociopath is like leaving a loaded gun in a toddler’s toy chest for him to play with.

I agree with you that parents not teaching their kids empathy is inexcusable. Frankly, I think that the boomers as a whole have done a terrible job raising their kids. I think that most of my contemporaries are spoiled brats with little empathy for others.

89 posted on 04/19/2007 8:52:59 PM PDT by Accygirl
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Certainly that’s the way it was if grown-ups fail in education.


90 posted on 04/20/2007 2:16:52 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: alcenoo

Oh boy, here we go!


91 posted on 04/20/2007 5:55:32 AM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: Rummenigge

“Certainly that’s the way it was if grown-ups fail in education.”

No.

Thats the way human beings are.

Kids can be cruel. There is nothing grown ups can do to stop it. Bullying, violence.. Yes, that can be kept under control. Teasing? Oh please. Shall we have an adult following every child at all times around?

Getting called names and teasing each other is part of growing up. It’s just life.


92 posted on 04/20/2007 8:20:19 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: blu

boo-freekin’-hoo.”

I am so sick of hearing about the “results” of kids who are picked on in school.
We were ALL picked on in school in some fashion or other. We dealt with it. If it was really physical, with a much larger kid picking on a much smaller kid, our parents got into the action and talks with the parents of the offenders usually stopped the problem. Hell, even I had a bloddy nose from a schoolyard fight- and I am a female. I fought back. It was the last time that person tried to pick on me. Today, the perps have more rights than the victims. One cannot protect their property nor their family. Whoever wants to behave the most like “MAD MAX” is the winner.

The last 2 generations of sissies we have raised in the USA are in for a shock. Their employers aren’t going to be so full of strokes and fuzzy feelings. These woooossies need to find their big girl panites, put them on, keep them on, and GET A LIFE!!!!


93 posted on 04/20/2007 9:04:58 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Accygirl

I agree with your assessment. And, the kids the boomers raised are not doing any better. There are certainly some outstanding parents out there, but they are vastly outnumbered.
susie


94 posted on 04/20/2007 2:21:28 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
I agree kids can be cruel, and I agree teasing is pretty normal. However, it’s up to the grownups to be in charge, and not only stop it, but to help children learn why they shouldn't’t do it. I’m so glad I teach in a Christian school so I can actually bring Jesus into the conversation.

Most people can learn to be kind and empathetic, and in fact they can learn to like helping those who need it. But it takes role models and adults who are willing to step in and teach them. And no, I'm not a bleeding heart liberal. But I understand what it takes to live in a civil society, and we are not teaching our kids how to do it, for the most part.

susie

95 posted on 04/20/2007 2:26:47 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: ridesthemiles
Bullying today is much more nasty and insidious than a shiner or calling someone “fat.” I can provide you quite a few examples from my own life of teens trying to destroy their peers’ lives... spreading nasty rumors about people, making up false claims to get peers in trouble with parents, school, etc. They can also post video online or spread rumors on the Web, so that the whole world can see them. IMO, it might be one thing to get beat up at school; it’s quite another to have that beating videotaped and posted on YouTube.
96 posted on 04/20/2007 4:51:08 PM PDT by Accygirl
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Being small for my age, academically gifted, and athletically cursed, made me a major target for bullies.
I fantasized about whoopin some a$$, but that was about it.


97 posted on 04/20/2007 4:53:45 PM PDT by Muzzle_em (A proud warrior of the Pajamahadeen)
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To: Alouette
He mentioned that after Columbine every school in the country initiated “anti-bullying” sensitivity training so that no picked-on dork would ever go on a mass murder spree.

That's not true. Anti-bully programs, if they exist at all, are voluntary, not mandatory in schools. Most schools did nothing. As long as bullying fits someone's agenda, and it usually does, it will continue.

98 posted on 04/21/2007 11:38:28 AM PDT by pray4liberty (http://totallyunjust.tripod.com)
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To: debg
What you tried to do for this student is a heck of a lot more than others bother to do.

You are an unsung hero. Believe it or not, you did make a difference in this boy's life, because you showed that somebody really cared when it mattered most.

99 posted on 04/21/2007 11:57:35 AM PDT by pray4liberty (http://totallyunjust.tripod.com)
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To: rockrr
They despised me for the rest of the time my daughter was enrolled there, but she never had to endure another incident. They were also too scared of me to take it out on her. In that scenario, was I the bully?

NO. And you were actually pretty lucky. They could have got you arrested on some bogus charge, called social services on you, or figured out a way to railroad your daughter out because you stood up for her rights. It happens to parents in Delaware, all the time.

As long as school administrators believe themselves to be above the law and abuse their power on parents and their children, school shootings will continue.

100 posted on 04/21/2007 12:05:46 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://totallyunjust.tripod.com)
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