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To: ellery
Singapore is a safe nation(-state). First and foremost, I want a FREE nation.

The Constitution guarantees certain rights that for the most part guarantees a certain amount of freedom. Those freedoms are restricted by almost every law in existence however, as the first duty of government is to protect the rights of its citizens and create a secure Nation.

This means one that is founded on the principles of Constitutionally limited government, which for me rules out Giuliani.

Fine. Vote for whomsoever you want. If Hillary can provide that freedom you seek, go for it.

The purpose of the primaries is for you to support the Republican candidate you feel best meets your standards. I'm not defending nor denigrating any of the Republican candidates. I am only concerned about the general election and keeping Hillary out of office.

312 posted on 04/21/2007 7:19:41 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: MACVSOG68
Fine. Vote for whomsoever you want. If Hillary can provide that freedom you seek, go for it. The purpose of the primaries is for you to support the Republican candidate you feel best meets your standards. I'm not defending nor denigrating any of the Republican candidates. I am only concerned about the general election and keeping Hillary out of office.

From what I can tell from your absolutely baseless implication that I support Hillary (???), is that I am every bit as concerned as you are about the general election and keeping the 'toons out of office. What I have said repeatedly is that if you nominate Giuliani, the 'toons will almost certainly win!

Set aside transient polls for the moment, and let's look at fundamentals:

1. Large numbers of people from two significant GOP constituencies (social conservatives and libertarian conservatives) have told you pont-blank that they cannot vote for him in the general. However angry that may make you, and however much you may rail about it, it is a fact. It is a near-certainty that if Giuliani gets the nomination, a third party candidate will emerge and will siphon off GOP votes.

2. The electorate is very closely divided, and has been for years. From where is Giuliani going to get the votes to make up for the significant numbers of GOP voters who can't support him, plus some more to put him over the top?

3. You may choose to disregard these two facts and gamble on Giuliani (because maybe you believe that people aren't deadly serious when they tell you they can't support him in the general; or maybe because you're somehow counting on a lot of dems to support a pro-war candidate, even though most dems are champing at the bit to win back the presidency for a dem). If you do that, though, at the very least take some personal responsibility for your own poor decision.

Because this business I hear now about how YOU'RE bound and determined to nominate a candidate that I am convinced cannot win, and if MY prediction turns out to be correct somehow it's MY fault that YOU nominated him? It's empty, absurd and comes off as pretty cowardly, to boot.

354 posted on 04/21/2007 9:35:28 PM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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