Posted on 04/17/2007 5:21:32 AM PDT by IrishMike
The entire nation will now collectively mourn one of the great tragedies one can endure: the death of so many of our children.
But a detailed analysis of the facts will also be ongoing. There are many questions from all observers.
It just seems to me, when law enforcement finds two dead bodies on a sleepy university campus in the 7 A.M. hour: they immediately should slam the “Red Alert” button. Yesterday there were some lame remarks about getting out an email (two hours late) and that there wasn’t time to get the word to both lock down the campus and stop the influx of tens of thousands of commuters.
They don’t have radio and TV in Blacksburg, Virginia? If at 7 A.M. a tornado was announced heading for that campus, what would have happen? How about a snowstorm? We had high winds in Washington D.C. this week and the schools were closed three hours early. It was on every radio and TV station in seconds. With that huge force of law enforcement, a good police commander could have closed every road into that campus in no time.
They got radios, cars and flashing lights, don’t they?
Did anyone notice that a bunch of those law enforcement offers were, ahem, chubby?
Law enforcement at Virginia Tech didn’t save one life. They didn’t waste one bullet doing it either. Somebody should be ashamed: law enforcement didn’t fire a shot. The only shooter on that campus got tired after all the mayhem he made.
If my kids name was killed in the classroom after 9 A.M. I am one angry parent.
When is the last time law enforcement found two dead students, murdered students, on that campus during the 7 A.M. hour?
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So what?
There are people with problems in schools today. High school, college, etc.
Drag out the statistics on how many kill themselves. In fact, this was a form of suicide.
How many work in the Post office?
How many drive trucks?
How many of our population are taking some form of antidepressant?
It definitely is correct that the guy had problems and problems that should have been treated. But how to do that without going over the edge and sending everyone to a shrink?
You, for instance, believe that you are a perfectionist; demand perfection from others, distrust the government, have a Napoleon Complex....etc.
Therefore, being in a position to do so, I commit you to the loony bin.
I don’t think that is the world reasonable people want to live in.
It is correct that somehow this guy should have been separated from the university. However, to condemn VT for not doing something that they have no process for doing, that I will bet that does not exist in any major university in this country, demanding that head roll, is counterproductive to getting to a solution.
A much smarter plan would be the one I heard expressed on the radio this morning. Have one person to whom all complaints of mental problems are to be referred. That person then has the knowledge that there have been multiple complaints. Then give him authority to do something about it.
So what?
There are people with problems in schools today. High school, college, etc.
Drag out the statistics on how many kill themselves. In fact, this was a form of suicide.
How many work in the Post office?
How many drive trucks?
How many of our population are taking some form of antidepressant?
It definitely is correct that the guy had problems and problems that should have been treated. But how to do that without going over the edge and sending everyone to a shrink?
You, for instance, believe that you are a perfectionist; demand perfection from others, distrust the government, have a Napoleon Complex....etc.
Therefore, being in a position to do so, I commit you to the loony bin.
I don’t think that is the world reasonable people want to live in.
It is correct that somehow this guy should have been separated from the university. However, to condemn VT for not doing something that they have no process for doing, that I will bet that does not exist in any major university in this country, demanding that head roll, is counterproductive to getting to a solution.
A much smarter plan would be the one I heard expressed on the radio this morning. Have one person to whom all complaints of mental problems are to be referred. That person then has the knowledge that there have been multiple complaints. Then give him authority to do something about it.
So what?
There are people with problems in schools today. High school, college, etc.
Drag out the statistics on how many kill themselves. In fact, this was a form of suicide.
How many work in the Post office?
How many drive trucks?
How many of our population are taking some form of antidepressant?
It definitely is correct that the guy had problems and problems that should have been treated. But how to do that without going over the edge and sending everyone to a shrink?
You, for instance, believe that you are a perfectionist; demand perfection from others, distrust the government, have a Napoleon Complex....etc.
Therefore, being in a position to do so, I commit you to the loony bin.
I don’t think that is the world reasonable people want to live in.
It is correct that somehow this guy should have been separated from the university. However, to condemn VT for not doing something that they have no process for doing, that I will bet that does not exist in any major university in this country, demanding that head roll, is counterproductive to getting to a solution.
A much smarter plan would be the one I heard expressed on the radio this morning. Have one person to whom all complaints of mental problems are to be referred. That person then has the knowledge that there have been multiple complaints. Then give him authority to do something about it.
My connection problem again.
Please excuse.
My service is being upgraded and there are bugs to be worked out.
Unless Koreans and other Asians all "look alike" to the cops, it's beginning to look like the university administrators and police had a "brain f**t" when it came to dealing with this guy.
Wonder how many more mentally deranged folks are wandering about the campus.
Problem solved. (/sarc)
How come they dont mention the fires he started in the dorm room? were police not called to that?
I wish that the perp was in a mental institute yrs ago...my wishes mean nothing....
VT is a large campus....similar to a small city....
imagine the howls and lawsuits if two dead people were murdered in one section of a town and the the whole town was locked down, nobody could move.....
we would never hear the end of that either.....
as far as we know, a good assumption...yes, I know....would have initially indicated that this was a boyfriend/girlfriend type murder.....there was no indication it was any else AT THE TIME.....
BS
You don’t get it either. You would rather see people slaughtered and cut down in their youth then have a little inconvenience of a security camera.
No ma'am, I would not rather see people slaughtered, but I don't see a security camera as a "little inconvenience" either. America is great because we have a Constitution with a Bill of Rights. I am of the opinion that those rights must be guarded jealously or we, as a nation, will forfeit them. Security cameras are a violation of those rights, and unfortunately, the cost of a free society is a loss of absolute security. I, for one prefer to have my rights because I know my security is my own responsibility. I don't need, nor want, a nanny state watching over my shoulder 24/7 to assure my safety. You may be willing to make that trade off, but I won't.
We are way off in the area of thinking on this.You would rather see parents in tears and say well their pictures were not taken on a security camera.
Yes we are way off in the way we perceive this issue, but you do me an injustice to suggest that I would rather see the parents in tears. You make an assumption about me that is unwarranted as you do not know me.
I think those kids would rather see a security camera at the doors of dorms and buildings that hold classes then see the sadness on tv today. If putting up a camera helps one student not suffer the way those kids did ,SMILE YOUR ON camera.Not in the rooms of the dorms, not in the privacy areas , but at the doors and hallways. They already use them in a lot of schools now.
Ma'am, cameras would not have stopped the VT slaughter. At the very most, they would have shown the perpetrator as a historical record of the event, but nothing could have been done quickly enough to have prevented his actions. As far as the use in schools currently, the first time some well-to-do student gets caught on camera doing something untoward, and the footage winds up on youtube, the parents will have a violation of privacy lawsuit against the school with ACLU lawyers as their cohorts.
When you enter the museums in Washington,in the Capitol , and the White House smile look up because you are on camera. Penn state in our town, smile look up.You better get your nose in the air because they are hanging there already.
I don't have a problem with security cameras in those places like museums, the White house, or Capitol building because they are already high security areas. Those locations have been crawling with security guards since before I visited them in the 60's. What I have a problem with is cameras in public commons areas like city streets, parks, or college campuses. It appears we have two very different viewpoints about the issue of security vs. liberty/rights.
Go dance in the streets, you sound like a person who just doesn’t care.
Now, that is just insulting. You are accusing me of being heartless and insensitive to the plights of others, and as I said, that is an assumption you make in error because you do not know me nor my heart.
Are you one of those liberals who say oh ignore it and it will go away?
No ma'am. I am not a liberal, in fact, I have been called a nazi by some of my liberal acquaintances because of my very far right views.
They just announced they are putting cameras in another one of our colleges in my area. Also in our Jr. college they are already there. Nobody complained and they have been there for years.
The nanny state of fascism expands and you find joy in that?
The students I think are glad they are up.
You think, but do you know? Ask some of them sometime. Most are probably unaware that they are being monitored and will become upset when they discover that they are.
I would rather see kids alive and happy, not the terror these kids are going to have to live with for the rest of their lives.if you cannot imagine what these kids are going to go through. The pain they feel does not end with the mass. I want the kids in our colleges and universities to be safe and have a wonderful college university life . What is wrong with that?
Ma'am, there is nothing wrong with wanting the students to be safe and happy. I want that also, but I also want them to grow up and into a free society where each man and each woman is responsible for his own safety and welfare and are not dependent upon a fascistic nanny state to make all the decisions regarding their security. The fact is, Virginia Tech had rules in place that designated the campus as a "GUN FREE ZONE". All of the victims followed that rule. The perpetrator didn't. If just one of the 60+ people he shot had had a gun for self defense, perhaps his violent rampage could have been cut short, and far fewer lives would have been lost.
The Janet Reno justice theory , we tried that, they did it again. if nothing comes out of this, someone will try it again. How many kids do we have to put in danger in order to call security.One more death is too much for me.
Ma'am, there is never going to be 100% security for anyone. Cameras on every corner and armed security guards every 50 feet won't make it so. Evil will always find a way. The best we can do is to teach our children that there is evil in the world, and there won't be a policeman to hold your hand every minute of your life. Prepare them by assuring that they have that awareness and learn to provide for their own defense by either taking martial or arms training and have the willingness to use it if the need arises.
Well done.
Well said.
Of course, England is a perfect example of what you are telling her.
Cameras everywhere.
Yet home invasions and strong arm robberies are the worst they have ever been.
I have read reports that the top cops in England will not release crime statistics that are real because they don’t want the citizens to know how bad it really is.
I have read several accounts to the effect that thugs do their home invasion thing and carry everything off before the cops get there and the victims are not allowed to raise a hand.
But that is England. If they want it that way, let them have it.
We will not allow it.
Thanks woodbutcher. I have heard the same things about England. They can keep it. America is still relatively free, and I want to keep it that way for so long as we can. I can’t believe the people who are willing to give up their rights and liberty for (the promise of) safety and security
It is bad manners to take over a thread or steal it for one’s own purposes, so I will only say this and short.
Your tag line is very interesting.
I well remember my college days and the business school instructors who tried to sell free trade.
I always contended that free trade will never ever work unless there are three conditions:
Similar to the point of being identical economies. That is, if one is capitalism, the other must be.
The countries must be similar in size, otherwise one overwhelms the other.
Government structure must be almost identical. That is, if one is a democracy, the other must be so wealth is distributed more or less equally in both countries.
Without those conditions, free trade can not work.
So I appreciate your tag line. Very good.
Thanks again. It seems we share similar views on at least two issues. I can appreciate differing viewpoints, much like betstyross1776’s, even when I disagree with them, but I enjoy the posts of those who think like I do more. I understand her point because the violence at VT was heartbreaking, but sacrificing freedoms for security is not the solution. The economy thing (in my tagline) just makes common sense to me.
One more thing the red pen was tacky. I can read your posts very well in computer black and white. Don’t worry they will do nothing about this on a national level because they are protected in the capitol by cameras.It is the kids in the colleges who will have to run from the guns and put up with manifestos sent to places like NBC on tv from the gunmen rubbing it in.Since I am on the side of the kid running from the gunman , I totally disagree with you entirely.What good is your freedom if you are not alive to see and live it.
How is it that this mental midget killer shoots two people in broad daylight amidst thousands on a major college campus and no one notices (or tries to follow)where he goes after the incident? How is it possible?
Was everybody in that building, or in the area, hiding in a closet, under a desk or hugging one another so tight in fear that he escapes totally untraced?
Was everybody on drugs? Tell me, please.
What kind of life do you have when you are cringing in fear and cowardice on your knees waiting for big brother to come save you. The cost of a FREE society is increased risk/danger. The Soviet Union was virtually crime free. Hitler's Germany was a safe haven for all of his aryans. Maybe communist or fascist tyrannies make you safer, but at what cost to the soul. I would much rather die on my feet than live on my knees. The one thing we do agree on in this issue is that we are in total disagreement.
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