Posted on 04/17/2007 5:21:32 AM PDT by IrishMike
The entire nation will now collectively mourn one of the great tragedies one can endure: the death of so many of our children.
But a detailed analysis of the facts will also be ongoing. There are many questions from all observers.
It just seems to me, when law enforcement finds two dead bodies on a sleepy university campus in the 7 A.M. hour: they immediately should slam the “Red Alert” button. Yesterday there were some lame remarks about getting out an email (two hours late) and that there wasn’t time to get the word to both lock down the campus and stop the influx of tens of thousands of commuters.
They don’t have radio and TV in Blacksburg, Virginia? If at 7 A.M. a tornado was announced heading for that campus, what would have happen? How about a snowstorm? We had high winds in Washington D.C. this week and the schools were closed three hours early. It was on every radio and TV station in seconds. With that huge force of law enforcement, a good police commander could have closed every road into that campus in no time.
They got radios, cars and flashing lights, don’t they?
Did anyone notice that a bunch of those law enforcement offers were, ahem, chubby?
Law enforcement at Virginia Tech didn’t save one life. They didn’t waste one bullet doing it either. Somebody should be ashamed: law enforcement didn’t fire a shot. The only shooter on that campus got tired after all the mayhem he made.
If my kids name was killed in the classroom after 9 A.M. I am one angry parent.
When is the last time law enforcement found two dead students, murdered students, on that campus during the 7 A.M. hour?
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How would that be possible if they didn't have an initial description of the suspect?
There was a double murder in a building, and the shooter was not there. So clearly the murderer was in the area, one would or should assume that.
To assume otherwise one would have to base that upon something. Right?
The fact is a double murder, especially at a school or college should set off alarm bells. Given the fact that we know schools are terrorist targets. Right? How could they have possibly known this first double murder scene was not the beginning of a terrorist action or event?
Would it be reasonable to suspect that there may be other victims or hostages being held in other buildings?
Of course it would.
I give up.
You are right.
They should have searched all of the buildings.
OK, so they searched the engineering building at 9:30. Everything is beautiful.
They go on to the next.
While there, at 10:00, they hear that there has been a mass murder at the building they just left.
But of course, they can’t go back to that building. There might be something in the next building that is important.
And there are 98 more to go and some of them might have something important.
The cops can’t turn back. They have to do the important things first.
Search all of those buildings.
Look for piles of bodies and hostage takers.
Never mind that engineering building. That has been checked out. On to the next one.
Do yourself a favor and drop it.
You are looking really stupid.
""7:15 a.m.Virginia Tech Police Department (VT PD) receives a 911 call to respond to a dormitory room at West Ambler Johnston Residence Hall. Within minutes, Virginia Tech Police and Virginia Tech Rescue Squad respond to find two gunshot victims""
Why would they wait over 2 hours to look around the building?
OK, so they really are on the ball and search the engineering building at 7:30.
Never mind the crime scene.
So they search the building at 7:30. They still have those 99 buildings to go, so on to the next.
Tell me how that would have prevented the second crime.
I just woke up.
You are a troll.
You keep asking the same mindless question with no contribution whatsoever.
Goodbye, troll.
Well, at least we agree on that.
Please don't even think that. My son-in-law takes evening classes there and just knowing it is down on Decatur Street in Atlanta is already bad enough.
The Navy boot is pressed through eight weeks of intensive training to force a cohesive team response to every adverse encounter by every recruit. Va. Tech is not "Starship Troopers." They have no Captain's Mast. They don't fall under the UCMJ. Students can even go to the head when they wish.
Would John E. Carey have all 26,000 students fall out to the quadrangle for PT every morning? Would he have every student run the confidence course each week? Would he authorize the RAs to wear "Smokey-the-Bear" campaign hats?
Maybe the "Hindsight Czar" John E. Carey would have Va. Tech copy the old Cold War Soviet public Civil Defense training and education to prepare for his "Red Alert" like Captain Kirk?
Locking down may be a bit much to ask, but issuing a warning is a reasonable step. I live near a prison; if there’s an escape, the entire area gets immediate notice. Also, let’s suppose a shooting happens tomorrow morning in a Federal building in DC; do you think a warning will be given to all other Federal buildings in DC to increase security? I say, yes. DC is much bigger than VT.
Also, I think it is beyond dispute that the police at VT made a mistake when they assumed the shooter left campus. If they’d taken a dog out, they could have tracked this guy back to his dorm well before the next shootings began.
No, that is when the 911 call came in and they arrived within minutes. As I posted earlier, a double murder at a school or college should have triggered a massive response, from every possible resource available, given the fact that the double murder was still outstanding, and his whereabouts were unknown, not to mention his description was unknown at that point.
They had absolutely no reason to assume he was not still in the area, and they had no idea if other victims where in the area, or if the murderer had taken hostages in the next building.
We will just disagree here.
If they’d taken a dog out, they could have tracked this guy back to his dorm well before the next shootings began.
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Does VT or Blacksburg have a dog?
I think the dog I saw was a state police dog.
How far away was he based?
If, If If If......If’s work better if you know some facts.
Where is the dog and the dog handler based? Were they at the ready or already working on something else on the other end of the jurisdiction?
Facts. They are so inconvenient.
triggered a massive response, from every possible resource available, given the fact that the double murder was still outstanding, and his whereabouts were unknown, not to mention his description was unknown at that point.
They had absolutely no reason to assume he was not still in the area, and they had no idea if other victims where in the area, or if the murderer had taken hostages in the next building.
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OK, you are right. Now we have this massive response.
What do all the cops look for?
Lets say we have enough state troopers, local deputies, etc., that we have 250 cops.
What do we tell them to look for?
That actually could have been possible, given the fact that the murderer was only a 10 minute stroll away, sitting in his dorm room, reloading magazines, or writing notes.
They walked off the distance. He was a ten minute walk from the initial double murder scene.
My point was earlier, the response should have been massive with an outstanding double murderer on campus, and lack of reason to assume he just left the campus.
Remember, there had already been several recent bomb threats at this facility. It should have been reasonable to assume that there could possibly have been other victims elsewhere on campus, or that the gunman could have taken hostages in a nearby building.
I am not trying to appoint blame here. I just think they could have, and should have done much more in regards to their initial response to a double murder, where the suspect was still outstanding, without any reason to assume he left the campus.
I must add, it's possible we may find out later, that they were detaining or chasing the wrong suspect and they possibly might have thought they had their man, or were chasing a lead, down the wrong trail.
I have answered that a couple of times.
I would first have them go to buildings that had windows facing the murder scene building. I would tell them to quickly go through other buildings, talk to people etc. ask if anyone was seen running or leaving the murder scene building when they should be in class?
Assign several to different exits checking vehicles, writing down plate numbers, find out if anyone in other buildings had been to the murder building earlier, and possibly had left for some reason...Did they see anyone leaving quickly?
Any cameras on campus? Any campus banks or ATMs with cameras? Check them too. Etc etc.
I would assign at least 80 of those officers to search for other possible victims or bodies in other buildings etc. Watch for anyone lurking around trying or attempting to hide, quickly interviewing people as they search for other possible victims or witnesses
The first info they were given was that the perp was a white guy with greasy hair, driving a black pickup with farm plates and that he had left campus. They then started the search for that pickup and driver.
But I guess they were suppose to know that the perp didn’t match that description at all, that he was in his dorm at that time writing a letter and would be at Norris Hall in a couple of hours gunsablazin. They’d just go over there and wait for him.
A fantastic plan.
The only problem with it is that the murderer did none of these things.
He did not use a car. Students regularly jog from one place to another, especially if they are into athletics. So seeing someone running across a campus is not unusual.
But if someone did see this mad man running, what did he look like. “Well, chief, he had on this really big goosedown jacket and a hood. Looked like he weighed about 250 lbs. Really big. Couldn’t see his face, but he was a really big looking guy.....unless it was that goosedown jacket”
The murder scene was a dorm. People leave dorms at all hours and every few minutes. To go to breakfast, to go to the supply store for paper, pens, notebooks, whatever.
To go to the tutor...to go work out at the gym...on and on.
900 people in the building and you want to know if anyone went in or out.
You are going to check cameras, but you don’t even know whether there are any?
I asked you before, how many times cops checked your house for bodies because there was a murder in your town.
2600 acres divided by 80 cops is still 32.5 acres per cop.
Do you know how large 32.5 acres is?
26,000 persons to interview by 80 cops is still 325 persons per cop.
So in less than two hours, you would have interviewed each of the 26,000, verified that they were who they said they were, determined that none of them had a weapon and that they were in the right place their schedule called for....and prevented the second crime.
Wonderful.
I am really impressed.
I am glad I asked the question.
This brilliant plan would have uncovered that one guy in 26,000 that was in the wrong place and wallah! We have our man in time to save all of those people.
Fantastic. I am glad I asked.
Hey, I just thought of something.
How sad it is that you were not in Dallas that day.
You would have thrown all of your genius into the overwhelming police force thing and caught that guy on the grassy knoll.
Yep. Here we have worried about that guy for 40 years and you would have had him in less than two hours.
Oh yes, another thing.
I have it on stright information from very high sources (promise you will keep this to yourself) that this thing at VT is a conspiracy.
You see, my guy tells me that Imus and Nyfong hired this Korean to knock off all of these people so their names would be off the front pages.
Keep it quiet. We don’t want to let it out until we have got the goods on them.
But that is straigt stuff right out of Washington.
Bye. Time to take a nap.
PS. You do have my permission to work on the Imus Nyfong angle. Put your genius to work on it.
I can see I was wasting my time here.
Have a good day.
ASSuME makes an ASS out of U and ME
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That’s it in a nutshell.
Police would have been at the shooters dorm room 10 minutes after the arrival of the dog.
Would have never finished the note.
30 plus victims would not be victims.
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