Posted on 04/16/2007 3:19:27 PM PDT by madprof98
[Rich Lowry]
AUDIENCE MEMBER: I have a question about the former platform in the Republican Party allowed abortion in the case of rape, incest, and life of the mother. I believe in that and I believe that because of the abortion issue in the Republican Party it is dividing this party so badly that we may not be able to elect a Republican president and I hope-I’d like to hear what your thoughts are on that.”
MAYOR GIULIANI: “What my thoughts are on the big question? I can tell you my thoughts on both.”
AUDIENCE MEMBER: “The big question.”
GIULIANI: “On the big question my thoughts are we shouldn’t allow it to do that. Electing a Republican in 2008 is so important to the war on terror, the ability to keep up an economy that’s an economy or growth, or from the point of view of what we believe as Republicans to really set us in the wrong direction. Democrats are entitled to think something different but I think that there will be a major difference in the direction of this country whether we have a Republican or Democrat in 2008 and 2009. On abortion I think we should respect each other. I think that’s what we should do and we should respect the fact that this is a very difficult moral question and a very difficult question and that very good people of equally good conscience could come to different opinions on it. My view of it is I hate abortion. I think abortion is wrong. To someone who I cared about or cared to talk to me about it and wanted my advice, the advice I would give them is not to do it and to have adoption as an option to it. When I was the Mayor adoptions went way up, abortions went down but ultimately I respect that that’s somebody else’s decision and that people of conscience can make that decision either way and you can’t put them in jail for it. (applause) And then I think our party, our party has to get beyond issues like that where we can have people who are very good people who have different views about this, they can all be Republican because our party is going to grow and we’re going to win in 2008 if we’re a party that is characterized for what we are for and not if we’re a party that’s known for what we are against. …” (Mayor Rudy Giuliani, Campaign Event, Des Moines IA, 4/14/07)
Seems like that statement could be used for almost every issue, not just abortion.
"Pro-freedom"????
Killing babies in the womb is pro-freedom?
Judicially forcing public recognition of aberrant sexual habits on an unwilling majority of Americans is pro-freedom?
I'm sorry, mass, but you lost some credibility with that one.
From their point of view it is. Not mine. I hate to put it bluntly, but to get to a majority, we will either need to reach out to perverts or losers. Losers will want government handouts, whereas perverts will settle for being left alone. Gay and single professionals are probably the best opportunity the party has to expand.
Giuliani is the only guy I see who can reassure them that the party is not captive of the religious right.
I know it is not a tough choice, but I have yet to see one shred of evidence that a conservative can win nationally in 08. The Thompson supporters are ecstatic about a poll that shows Thompson losing to Edwards by 14 points. They seem willing to completely ignore the public attitudes, nominate their guy, then try to figure out how to sell him later. This is the Dole strategy. It will not work. Especially this year.
Okay, sorry, I didn't catch the implied quote marks on "pro-freedom." You're back in reasonably good graces. :-)
Three scenarios:
1. Giuliani wins the nomination and the general election.
2. Giuliani wins the nomination but loses in the general.
3. Giuliani does not win the nomination.
In which of these scenarios do you believe we’ll see the most future GOP candidates who share Giuliani’s views? In which of these scenarios do you believe we’ll see the fewest future GOP candidates who share Giuliani’s views?
The ramifications of this election go reach beyond the next four years; they will define the long-term direction of the Republican party. It’s more complex than simply the lesser of two evils in a single election cycle.
We didn’t “lose Ridge” in an election — he resigned in order to head Homeland Security, and his successor declined to run for Governor in the next election.
We didn’t lose Santorum because he’s pro-life — Santorum got triangulated out by a supposedly pro-life son of a famously pro-life former democrat governor. In other words, Santorum held office until the dems ran a pro-lifer against him.
I think your analysis is off in regards to Pennsylvania.
Why do you think Hillary will be our president?
I’m worried about donks crossing over in the primary and voting Giuliani. Given his recent statements, his campaign may be counting on that as well.
I disagree with that statement. I think that the majority of people know it's morally wrong. They don't want society to say it's morally wrong because they have had an abortion, they have loved ones that have had an abortion, or they fear that a loved one might be raped. As long as society does not condemn it, then you don't have to face up to the fact they you have stood by and allowed innocent human beings to be slaughtered. You can just tell your conscience that even though it troubles you, it can't really be morally wrong if so many good people think it's not.
“...we’re going to win in 2008 if we’re a party that is characterized for what we are for and not if we’re a party that’s known for what we are against.” Rudy Guiliani
That statement right there tells you that this man is not a Republican. If he believes that we are the party that is known for what it is against than he is basically telling us that he is not one of us because this is what HE thinks about the Republican party because we are not for what HE believes in.
Geesh, we haven't even had any debates yet. A lot of people don't even realize they have a conservative alternative to Guiliani or McCain because the media doesn't shill for anyone but Guiliani. When everyone has declared and debating starts, Guiliani is going to go down down down.
Believe me as this campaign moves forward and if the outcome is as I expect it, you will find that he will claim ........I've always said the part is bigger and about more than just those 4 "core issues"......and possibly use this as an example. If you listen and watch the jaw bone media long enough and close enough, you find they leave escapes clauses in what they say and write.
I think that will be one such escape clause.
“crossing over in the primary and voting Giuliani”
A sad day when however many states allow that. Along with registering the day of any election. Invitations to fraud.
...and I think you are too absorbed in thinking that each campaign is an isolated incident to look at the big picture. The demographics of Pennsylvania are now decisively Dimwit. The fact that Specter is the only Republican holding any power is pretty strong evidence of that. If you look at population and voting trends, you'll see more evidence.
At some point, you should resist the temptation to assume that everyone thinks like you and take an objective look at the facts. It is why we educate ourselves. Your education isn't worth a plug nickel if you do not have the capability to be objective when the circumstances require it.
Because it sounds like people won’t vote for the nominated Repub candidate if their personal social issues aren’t met.
That was Rush’s effort to energize the listeners. She would never win by 80%. Yes should could win. But never by those numbers.
If that was Rush’s motive, more power to him : )
65% oppose Roe getting overturned. I agree many oppose abortion on demand but there are some that don’t and there are many that are open to abortion in certain cases.
BTTT. Our father would be very disappointed in us if we did. Imagine, voting for a murderer of unborn children just to win an election? Not the way I want to go to my grave.
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