Posted on 04/11/2007 7:54:10 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher
US President George W. Bush vowed today to veto legislation to lift his restrictions on human embryonic stem cell research after the Senate passed a bill to remove the limits.
"This Bill crosses a moral line that I and many others find troubling," Mr Bush said.
"If it advances all the way through Congress to my desk, I will veto it."
The Senate voted 63-34 in favour of a Bill lifting a restriction on using federal funds for stem cell research on human embryos, but the tally was short of the two-thirds majority needed to override a veto.
The House of Representatives passed a similar version of the Bill in January, but the 253-174 vote was also short of a two-thirds majority.
Mr Bush vetoed similar legislation passed by Congress when it was led by Republicans last year. Democrats won control of Congress in November elections.
Researchers working under the federal restrictions may only use cell lines made available prior to a ban imposed in 2001, in the first year of Mr Bush's presidency.
Mr Bush said his policy did not ban, but encouraged stem cell research under "careful safeguards".
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McCain voted AYE on both.
Clinton and Obama both voted AYE on both.
Dodd did not vote.
Hagel voted NO on the BAD bill...voted AYE on the good bill.
Brownback voted NO on both.
Biden voted AYE on both.
Is that all of the POTUS candidates in the Senate?
I still don't like it. Allowing such experimentation on "naturally non-viable" embryos will encourage researchers to figure out "natural" ways to kill embryos for research.
Do you know why Brownback voted NO for ADULT stemcell research?
Well met.
I’m with you on that.
In our Bible study last night, something came up that reminded me of our President. Romans 12:14-21 says:
14Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. 16Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position.[c] Do not be conceited.
17Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. 18If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[d]says the Lord. 20On the contrary:
“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”[e] 21Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
President Bush lives by those words. Never have I seen any human being so persecuted (verbally) by so many people. It began mostly with members of the opposing party and the media, but has spread like a cancer to both sides of the aisle. Yet, he responds with tolerance and kindness.
I could not so consistently do that. Yet he manages to keep good humor about it.
It drives even his supporters crazy, yet he is doing the right thing.
Many people accuse him of being a coward because of it, yet it takes more courage than responding in kind. And of course, as the Word says, “In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.” In other words, kill ‘em with kindness.
:-)
Amen.
Amen! Deserves to be repeated, alnick.
You're right. His living out his consistent, deep faith DOES drive his supporters crazy. Lash back! Use the 'bully pulpit' to beat people up with!
But he doesn't, because his Christianity supercedes his politics, and he continues to take abuse (more than any President since Lincoln) without responding in kind.
One freeper even suggested that it's a good policy for one's personal life, but not good for politics. So I asked the question, "Does that mean that a person living a Christ-like life should never be in politics?"
I never got an answer.
Unfortunately, I know they are......
You DO realize that the restrictions are simply sending the best in this field overseas to do this research.
So what have you accomplished ? People will still develop it, and if sucessfull people will still use the results ... only it will have a “Made in Singapore” stamp on it.
You’ve simply outsourced it.
Since I consider the field to be nothing but a fraud, anyway, I'm not sure why I should regard that as a bad thing.
Adult stem cells have so many clear advantages, and have so much unexplored potential, that embryonic stem cell research would be illogical even if it could be conducted in a fashion free of moral issues. Unless enough stem cells can be obtained in practical and acceptable fashion to implement any treatments that may be discovered, such discoveries can have no practical and acceptable use. IMHO, the purpose of ESCR is not to provide useful treatments for people, but rather to use the promise of such treatments as justification for dropping moral boundaries.
Since I consider the field to be nothing but a fraud, anyway, I’m not sure why I should regard that as a bad thing.
“Bad thing “ or not ...it WILL happen so how do you deal with it ?
How do we deal with child prostitution in other countries of the world? We outlaw it here, but can't stop it everyplace.
You argument seems to be that since other countries will probably allow the phony research, we should as well. While it is true that there are probably some other countries that will allow ESCR, I don't see why that should affect our decision.
“How do we deal with child prostitution in other countries of the world? We outlaw it here, but can’t stop it everyplace.”
Just which countries is child prostitution legal ?
But are you saying that if someone from this country goes abroad to receive medical treatment of a type that is not approved here they should be arrested on their return ?
“Phoney research” ? Interesting ... what’s phoney about it ?
What's genuine about it?
The researchers are operating under the premise that they only want to use "surplus" embryos, but I haven't heard anything even remotely resembling a proposal for how the research, if successful, could be used to treat significant numbers of patients without requiring the mass production of embryos for slaughter. Adult stem cell therapies are more practical than embryonic ones, and the field is showing not only promise, but results. So what is the purpose of the embryonic "research"?
“but I haven’t heard anything even remotely resembling a proposal for how the research, if successful, could be used to treat significant numbers of patients without requiring the mass production of embryos for slaughter.”
Huh ? Don’t you understand how the currently approved research works ?
You may wish to read http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/08/20010809-1.html
The currently available lines can be propagated in whatever quantities necessary forever -
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