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Archaeologists Find 3 Prehistoric Bodies In SE Mexico (Tulum - 10-14.5k YO)
Xinhuanet ^ | 4-11-2007 | China View

Posted on 04/11/2007 3:40:41 PM PDT by blam

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To: blam
Arlington Springs Woman
(Oldest Human Skeleton found in the Americas)
21 posted on 04/11/2007 4:03:43 PM PDT by blam
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To: wildbill

22 posted on 04/11/2007 4:06:04 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Posted by Time's Man of the Year)
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To: KarinG1

Maya who?


23 posted on 04/11/2007 4:09:01 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: randog
"I wonder if they found the remains of the chicken dinner I had there....?"

Why do you diminish a serious thread with such an inane comment?

24 posted on 04/11/2007 4:57:19 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: blam
Tulum ...

Tulum ... Tulum .......... Tulum, Tulum, Tulum.
Sort of rhymes don't cha think?

25 posted on 04/11/2007 5:05:08 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Riodacat

That global warming white stuff is still falling here in Michigan. More is forecast for tomorrow.


26 posted on 04/11/2007 5:17:10 PM PDT by ASA Vet (http://www.rinorepublic.com)
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To: billorites

See my profile page for a link to the USS Enterprise version.


27 posted on 04/11/2007 5:18:42 PM PDT by ASA Vet (http://www.rinorepublic.com)
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To: blam
Tantalizing article.

But I wish there were more details, like the ages of the individual skeletons and how those ages were established. And maybe the names and affiliations of the archaeologists so we could search for additional information.

(Science writers should really study some science; and China?!? How did they get this article? Maybe that's why so many pertinent details are lacking!)

28 posted on 04/11/2007 5:50:23 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman
"But I wish there were more details, like the ages of the individual skeletons and how those ages were established. And maybe the names and affiliations of the archaeologists so we could search for additional information."

We'll get more details later.

29 posted on 04/11/2007 7:02:46 PM PDT by blam
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30 posted on 04/11/2007 10:04:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

We stayed at the hotel in Coba there too. It was deserted. I think we were the only guests. I can’t remember the price but it was cheap. I can still remember the dust in the dining room on all the set up tables, complete with china. At the pond in front of the hotel we watched a spotted rail for a couple of hours. We watched for a long time because we wanted to be able to indentify him when we got home. About a month after we got home I saw a bird magazine that mentioned seeing the rare spotted rail in Coba, complete with photos. We also loved the other birds we saw there, especially a beautiful green motmot with a long tail, he landed in a tree just a few feet in front of us as we walked the trail and just sat there, completely unafraid.


31 posted on 04/12/2007 4:57:56 AM PDT by MomwithHope
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To: blam

Wow neat.

“They are not Mayas because they do not have the classic Mayan skull deformation.”

I’d interpret this sentence to mean that there is no evidence of Mayan culture. This doesn’t seem to say anything about whether these might be biological ancestors.


32 posted on 04/12/2007 5:12:27 AM PDT by Varda
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"At the pond in front of the hotel we watched a spotted rail for a couple of hours. "

Did you see the large termite nests built up in the trees? I thought they were distinctive and unusual.

33 posted on 04/12/2007 5:40:45 AM PDT by blam
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To: Varda
"I’d interpret this sentence to mean that there is no evidence of Mayan culture. This doesn’t seem to say anything about whether these might be biological ancestors."

The oldest Mongoloid skeleton ever found is only 10k years old (Oppenheimer)...there couldn't have been Mayan yet, at this early date. I was thinking maybe these guys. (Whoever they are?)

Vintage skulls

"The oldest human remains found in the Americas were recently "discovered" in the storeroom of Mexico's National Museum of Anthropology. Found in central Mexico in 1959, the five skulls were radiocarbon dated by a team of researchers from the United Kingdom and Mexico and found to be 13,000 years old. They pre-date the Clovis culture by a couple thousand years, adding to the growing evidence against the Clovis-first model for the first peopling of the Americas."

"Of additional significance is the shape of the skulls, which are described as long and narrow, very unlike those of modern Native Americans.

34 posted on 04/12/2007 5:47:43 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Never noticed any, we were more interested in the birds, plants and pyramids.


35 posted on 04/12/2007 7:48:17 AM PDT by MomwithHope
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To: blam

I agree about Coba. When I 1st went 20+ years ago, it was nothing but trails through the jungle. The buildings, pyramids, stelae were all overgrown and unexcavated. You felt like Indiana Jones...........


36 posted on 04/12/2007 7:58:01 AM PDT by ALASKA (IT'S NOT ROCKET SURGERY......................Don't just do something, STAND THERE!!!)
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To: MomwithHope

I saw a lot of these. Many much larger.

37 posted on 04/12/2007 7:58:43 AM PDT by blam
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To: ALASKA
"I agree about Coba. When I 1st went 20+ years ago, it was nothing but trails through the jungle. The buildings, pyramids, stelae were all overgrown and unexcavated. You felt like Indiana Jones..........."

Yup...that was my experience.

38 posted on 04/12/2007 8:00:42 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
I don’t think Native americans can be classified as Mongoloid. I’ve read that a more complete study of morphology using hundreds of data points places them intermediate between Mongoloids and Caucasions. This supports the genetic evidence that they are descended from the same ancestral group as all Eurasians. Also (as you point out) the peopling of the New World occurred before the Mongoloid race evolved out of the same morphology.

“the earliest known American skeleton had its closest similarities with early Australians, Zhoukoudian Upper Cave 103, and Taforalt 18. The results obtained clearly confirm the idea that the Americas were first colonized by a generalized Homo sapiens population which inhabited East Asia in the Late Pleistocene, before the definition of the classic Mongoloid morphology.”

That's Australia, China and North Africa The “Australian” morphology seems to have been widespread at the end of the Pleistocene.

I think its a mistake to assume that people should be physically similar to very distant ancestors
“Powell has already noted (Powell 1995; Powell and Neves n.d.; Steele and Powell 1992, 1994) that the geographic groupings or races seen among modern peoples are at best fuzzy and at worst non-existent when examining late Pleistocene and early Holocene populations world-wide. “

Morphology can change drastically in isolated popluations. This has been demonstrated many times with island species. I don’t see why people would be any different.

39 posted on 04/12/2007 8:49:21 AM PDT by Varda
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To: Buffalo Head
"Why do you diminish a serious thread with such an inane comment?"

Because a sense of humor is a terrible thing to lose.

40 posted on 04/12/2007 8:55:16 AM PDT by norton
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