I'll bite. I don't want illegal border jumper/visa overstays in my country. Period.
As for your spew about how Mexicans are paying more than they're costing, you are either uninformed ( I doubt) or just being dishonest (likely). And I don't care what 'color' this country becomes. I do care that some of you insist we support a 21st century economy with 18th century illegal, undereducated, socialistic labor
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalfindings.html
Treasury Department Report. The results of our study are also buttressed by an analysis of illegal alien tax returns done by the Inspector General's Office of the Department of Treasury in 2004.35 That study found that 55 percent of illegal aliens who filed income tax returns using tax identification numbers had no federal income tax liability. While higher than the 45 percent estimated in this study, it must be remembered that this figure was only for those who filed tax returns using a tax identification number. These are all individuals who expected refunds, otherwise they would not have gone to the trouble of getting tax identification numbers and filing a return. But like our estimates, the Inspector General's report indicates that roughly half of illegals have no tax liability, reflecting their very low incomes and large number of dependents.
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http://www.ustreas.gov/tigta/congress/congress_03102004.htm
The number of ITINs issued in the last few years has increased dramatically, climbing from 1.1 million in 2001 to 1.5 million in 2002--a one-year increase of about 36 percent. Normally, ITINs would be used to file a Form 1040NR—U.S. Nonresident Alien Income Tax Return. However, many ITINs are used to file Forms 1040, which creates challenges for tax administration. Our analysis of Forms 1040 filed in Tax Year 2001 with ITINs found that approximately 530,000 Forms 1040 were filed with ITINs as the primary number by aliens who resided in the U.S., but who were not authorized to work and, in general, to reside in the U.S.
* These returns reported adjusted gross income of $10.7 billion. After tax deductions and credits, these tax returns reported a total liability of $184 million. * Over half of the tax returns reported no tax liability, and $522 million in tax refunds were claimed on these returns.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0701/04/gb.01.html
BECK: This is insanity. You know, I just saw a number -- and tell me if this number is right, if you even have it -- I just saw a number on, in 2004, what we paid illegal aliens in tax refunds, 2004. Do you know this number?
CAMAROTA: Yes, I believe -- the figure I`ve heard is about $10 billion. That`s based on estimates that the Treasury Department has done itself, $10 billion they paid back to illegal aliens.
BECK: That is insane. We`re paying them $10 billion, and we can`t arrest them, we can`t even find them, we don`t even know -- $10 billion? And now we`re giving them Social Security, one that we don`t need another country to sabotage for us. We`re doing it ourselves. The whole thing is going to collapse.
CAMAROTA: Yes, and what`s worse than that is, that the IRS issues them tax I.D. numbers so that they can then file their income tax with their false Social Security numbers so that we can give them their $10 billion back.
BECK: OK, all right. So the last thing here -- let me just role play here for a second. I`m an illegal alien. I have to now go to the government and prove to the government that I have a fake I.D., that I bought a fake Social Security card on the street in the black market, and then the government rewards me for that, right?
CAMAROTA: Yes, in effect, sure. Once you get legal status, then you apply for the credits that you earned while you were an illegal alien. And the way you do that is like you said: You show your false documents. You bring out your bogus tax returns, and so forth.
Hey chica. No one does. My own posts would not be quite as vitriolic were it not for the constant acerbic and idiotic accusations that anyone NOT for corralling and expelling is for doing nothing.
As for your spew about how Mexicans are paying more than they're costing, you are either uninformed
I never said that. What I said what that the constant and repetitive posting of the same stupid link over and over of immigrants costing us 100 billion per year ignores both the fact that there IS a positive inflow (I am not saying NET positive) and that the "costs" in second generations change dramatically, actually from net negative to net positive (Simon's study, to be fair, dealt with legal immigrants only, which is probably skewed to the positive, since there is a higher percentage of these folks who are high income professionals....., still the numbers are fairly eye-popping).
I do care that some of you insist we support a 21st century economy with 18th century illegal, undereducated, socialistic labor
I am not for socialistic programs, either. Why do I get this recurring idiocy bounced back to me? Are you dishonest and genuinely misrepresenting me, or are you stupid and assume that more liberal ingress/egress automatically means "socialism" because we have socialistic programs? Does it mean "socialism" if I want American women to have babies, so we don't HAVE to import our labor, just because we have socialistic programs that relate to them, too? Are you genuinely so obtuse to think that just because we have socialistic programs, this means that any new peoples (either homegrown or imported) means more socialism? It is obvious you either don't know what the word "socialism" means or you are deliberately misusing it.
The number of ITINs issued in the last few years has increased dramatically,
ITINs are used more frequently nowadays. Let me give you an example why. An acquaintance of mine is a Landscaper. He has a Mexican crew. The IRS sent him a letter about a year ago letting him know that Paco (not his real name) did not have a legit SS number. THEY DID NOT DEMAND HE FIRE PACO! THEY TOLD HIM THAT HE HAD TO HIRE HIM AS A W-2 EMPLOYEE AND CEASE PAYING HIM AS A 1099 CONTRACTOR! As long as they get the money, they don't care. So, Paco now pays in to OUR socialistic programs. This is repeated myriad times in America every day, and the idiotic crap repeated by the heavy breathers here on FR about them all working "under the table" is nonsense. The vast majority of them are W-2 paid and thus prop up OUR socialist system, as they pay in, but can't collect. Many of them do not even file tax returns, and the IRS doesn't say a word. The taxes are paid thru the IRS bagman (the employer) and filing a return only means that the fed has to pay BACK (per: your post) what they witheld, so the IRS says nothing about it.
The issue is far far more complex than your teeth gnashers here in the immigrant forums would make it out to be.