Posted on 04/09/2007 8:35:35 AM PDT by kellynla
President Bush will speak on immigration reform.
He very reluctantly signed it, and then didn't bother to ask for any funding for it in his latest budget.
Ask border patrol agents how supported they feel by the Bush administration. As for the "record fines" that are now making news, I'd say, too little, too late, and too obvious a ploy to push amnesty through.
Ramos and Compean fired in the line of duty.
>We need a POTUS Candidate who will “swear to defend” our country against Illegal invaders walking across our borders.<
In post #209 you are invited to watch that Candidate in “Let’s build this fence”, Fence ad. That Candidate is Duncan Hunter. And he’s already begun that fence with amazing results.
There is no source. You read someone else's lie and you are spreading it.
You can bet that when I respond to anyone on FR it will not be with name calling.
You can bet that when I am called to support my assertions, I will do so with something better than promises and recrimination. Further I will admit I am wrong when I am proven wrong. That is what a man does.
It only makes you look like less of a man, and certainly less credible so I would suggest you not do it.
You fabricate, and I pointed it out. And you are worried about my credibility? That IS nice of you. I'm not worried about my credibility "HonestConservative." I look forward to the receipt of a source, but I ain't holding my breath. Until then I say you are lying about President Reagan.
All they need to do is add a line to the present tax form. Do you want to contribute a dollar towards the border fence. They’d probably get enough from that alone.
I could NOT agree with you more emphatically. However, I cannot see this happening. In fact, it is an awareness that this is a danger to our socialist programs that has prevented the CONGRESS (not Bush) from addressing this issue for years. We fear (accurately) top-loading our social programs. Congress - stupid as they are - is not going to dump 20 million persons into unfunded mandated programs. That is political suicide. I look for some kind of restrictions from entering those programs, which will actually be a good thing, in that it will be a billboard to the rest of the nation saying "SEE! People do NOT die in the streets without fed/state spending! Maybe we should try this elsewhere."
My perspective is a little more radical, in that I think these programs are FUNDAMENTALLY immoral, and would like to see them loaded until they bust...., BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN EVENTUALLY, WHETHER THE ILLEGALS DO IT OR WE DO IT INTERNALLY. The politicians (and the lazy schlubbing citizenry taking handouts) should be forced QUICKLY to see the results of this immoral activity. Like the kid who moves out and gets in fiscal trouble with the VISA, there is nothing like seeing those monthly bills and having credit cards revoked, calls from bill collectors, and utilities disconnected to get their attention about restraining spending.
As an aside, I haven't posted in this thread since yesterday afternoon. WOW! The mods came in and carpet-bombed it! Looks like a few folks got a bit agitated. Wish I had been here to see the fun.
Anyway, thanks for your thoughtful and considerate post.
DoP
So was Mussolini. Your post is dishonest in its implications.
I have REAL problems with the sentences handed down to these guys. I don't think they should have gotten any prison time at all. Neither did the judge, btw. These were mandatory sentencing guidelines. However, this was a bad shoot and these guys lied about it and tried to cover it up. They deserved to be fired.
What is worse is that you know this, and then try to paint it like they were noble brave civil servants merely doing their duty, and were railroaded because they shot a violent drug dealer who threatened them. This is either dishonest or stupid.
Finally, I believe these guys should be pardoned from jail time, but the firing should remain on their records. They lied about what happened. If they had been honest about it they might have received a reprimand and/or suspension. They wrote their own sentences.
Whoops!
Sorry about that. I read a "were" into your original that wasn't there. Paris in the the spring and all that. I thought you were referrring to their termination, and you were referring to the discharge of weapons. I misread it, and therefore, the crack about Benito doesn't make sense.
A more accurate rebuttal to that might be "So did Willam Calley" or "so did the officers who broke into the house of that 90+ year old woman in Atlanta on a no-knock warrant (they shot her to death)." Merely discharging your weapon while on duty does not make it an honest shoot, AND even if it IS a good shoot, lying about it and trying to cover it up kinda dampens your credibility.
Fact: Among the many goals of SPP are:
Fact: Robert Pastor, known as the "Architect of the SPP, is a fabian socialist
"Robert Pastor intends to give away U.S. sovereignty to a newly forming North American Union exactly as he gave away the Panama Canal to Panama during Jimmy Carter’s presidency." -- Jerome Corsi
FACT: Pastor, in his pressing enthusiasm for realizing the NAU, Robert Pastor argued in a 2004 article in CFR’s Foreign Affairs, entitled “North America’s Second Decade,” that the United States would benefit by giving up U.S. national Sovereignty. “Countries are benefited,” he wrote, “when they changed these [national sovereignty] policies, and evidence suggests that North Americans are ready for a new relationship that renders this old definition of sovereignty obsolete.”
Thanks for looking. :)
>Ramos and Compean fired in the line of duty.
>>So was Mussolini. Your post is dishonest in its implications.<<
LOL! No, DOP, they FIRED A GUN at the escaping drug runner. I didn’t mean they were fired. I have urged the President to pardon these men.
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Yeppers. Saw that later. Should have the mods put a big "STUPID" flashing over my original response, as it did not make any sense at all.
I agree that they should be pardoned. NOT because they were innocent, but because they should not spend 10 years in the pen for this. We had an out-of-control US attorney here.
I can only speak for myself, but any candidate I vote for in 2008 will have to commit himself to a lot more than that concerning border and immigration.
Specifically...
immediate sealing of the border, with permanent presence of 20,000 troops and a wall running the entire length of the southern border
massive crackdown on those who violate the law by employing illegal aliens, including confiscation of capital and personal assets and imposition of maximum prison sentences
illegals who are here have 30 days to return to Mexico -- failing that, only those less than 18 years of age will be returned to Mexico -- all others will be imprisoned at hard labor for a term not less than 20 years and not more than 30 years.
WHO GIVES A CRAP? (See my tagline.)
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