Posted on 04/05/2007 5:42:47 PM PDT by Utah Girl
Mitt Romney is riding high this week after his victory in "the first primary," which consists of raising cold, hard cash to compete: more than $20 million in the first quarter, $5 million more than his closest contender, Rudy "Lay off my wife!" Giuliani. John McCain came in a lackluster third with $12.5 million.
Romney's campaign benefited from two distinct donor networks, according to media accounts: Wall Street and Mormons. GOP front-runner Rudy, struggling with one of those weird media freak shows erupting around his wife, Judith (her alleged participation in future Cabinet meetings and former puppy killings), must be a little envious on both counts.
Why is it that all the Dem candidates are still married to their first spouse, while among the current crop of leading GOP contenders, the only guy with just one wife is the Mormon?
Truth is, I don't think this is just an accident. There's something about Mormons the rest of us ought to pay attention to: Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints do much better than almost any other faith group at sustaining a marriage culture -- and they do this while participating fully and successfully in modern life. Utah is above the national average in both household income and the proportion of adults who are college graduates.
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Got an email from her about 2 years later about how she had found true freedom with a new husband and was now attending a non-denominational church and had, in her exact words, "left the cult of the Morman Church forever."
Husband lived in the house a few weeks, sold it, and moved away. That was my only very close contact with Mormonism, except for my crazy cousin who was Morman for a while, but she was also Buddist, Christian, Catholic, and now is a druid, so I don't think she is anything but southern crazy - and you know those are the craziest kind.
I did say that see you are putting words where they are not!
I said you would obfuscate!
I said there are angel men, they are angles not corporal man!
Ah, so LDS missionaries, authorities, and members teaching doctrine that conflicts with that of others is comparable to you and people like you being actively engaged in tearing down everything we believe in, calling us non-Christian, and declaring our denomination a cult...
We believe you are wrong, and teach that. You believe we are wrong, polytheistic, loony, nutty, murderous, polygamous, paganistic cultists with weird underwear and evil beliefs, and teach that.
Yep, I’m starting to see the hypocrisy here.
As a fan of cosmology, I would love to hear about the angles the Angels use ... they come and go is such cool ways don’tchaknow. Remember Gideon?
Speaking of weird underwear, I saw a thingy on a new underwear which will allow fluids to be circulated next to the skin of the wearer ... it will really help warming and cooling when the users are in harsh environs. Isn’t that the idea behind the sacred underwear, something to help when in harsh environs? My Mormon doctor friend says it is, sort of.
I see no humor in belittling anothers sacred clothing!
Are you just now catching up? Hypocrisy....thy name is Mormon.
Your leaders have said the following about Christians:
“for they were all wrong...an abomination in his sight”
whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God (LDS Church)belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth”
“....the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness”
“The Christian world, so-called, are heathens “
“a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world”
“”... the time came when Paganism was engrafted into Christianity,”
” the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and kicked on to the earth”
“We talk about Christianity, but it is a perfect pack of nonsense ...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century”
“What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast.”
“What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing ...Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest of fools”
“but the so-called system of Christianity is not only an error and a snare, but is a monstrous iniquity fastened upon the children of men throughout the earth.”
“”...all other churches are entirely destitute of all authority from God;”
“[Christianity]...has existed for some sixteen or seventeen centuries. It has spread itself and grown and gone into the four quarters of the earth. It is the great ecclesiastical power that is spoken of by the revelator John, and called by him the most corrupt and most wicked of all the powers of the earth, under the name of spiritual Babylon, or in other words Babel, which signifies confusion.
“Christians - those poor, miserable priests Brother Brigham was speaking about - some of them are the biggest whoremasters there are on the earth ...”
“”Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general. False churches, false prophets, false worship”
Hypocrisy....thy name is Mormon.
I see no humor in belittling anothers sacred clothing!
In case you are not aware of it those who wear these sacred garments have made a convenant to the Lord to Keep his Commandments and always to remember who they are and to obey their Heavenly Father.
I am truly happy, CC, that you have formed a relationship with Christ that brings you the comfort and joy you seek.
Be a sport and grant us the same privilege, eh?
Can we kill this thread? Everyone seems to be finding fault with each other.
Colorcountry,
I read your story link and have two reactions. It does explain alot.
1. “Hell Hath no Fury....”
How long will you hold me and other Mormons accountable for your sexual and physical abuse experience?
2. Just so you know I am not trying to use your personal story (which you have posted on a public forum) against you let me share. I am a male member of the Mormon church who experienced childhood sexual abuse when I was very young. (Not from a Mormon, BTW). Your current anger and position toward the entire Mormon church while understandable to me is clearly more about that abuse experience than the Doctrinal Debates you engage us in. I was “victimized” also. However, there came a point in my life when I had to move on and forgive. You can never fully move on (as the effects come up time and again) but you can forgive. I can’t hold the entire world accountable for the sins perpetrated on me by one man. For awhile I was angry at God as well. I still get angry once and awhile but I have let much of it go.
You talk a lot about Jesus. I really do apprecitae the times in this public forum when you share your personal acceptance of him as your Savior and Redeemer. I do get bothered when you publicly seek to do all in your power to demean and denounce my chosen faith which I feel includes a personal testimony of Jesus. Please don’t take this wrong or as condescending. Having been through sexual abuse expereince I will not condemn you. However, Jesus can heal your wounds and he can allow you to forgive those who despitefully used you. IOW, you can move on and let go this millstone about your neck. You can let go of the evil that was done to you, and yes even forgive.
Now, as for your ex I think he’ll burn in hell. But of you it is required to forgive all men. Every time you engage in praising and testifying of your personal relationship with the Savior on this forum the spirit is there, and I appreciate so much your example and love for Jesus. Every time you seek to contend, put down or demean the faith of others you are continuing to hold on to the sins which have affected your life.
Your brother in Christ,
Rameumptom
I would’ve answered, “Utah.”
Yah. I will have the Admin Moderator shut it down for no more replies.
Admin, can you close this thread to no more replies? Thanks!
Thank you for the enlightenment after that last post #567 I was wondering what the heck brought that on what a malevolent act!
Rams, that man is a blip on the radar screen of my life. He, like mormonism is part of the story.
Now, if I were to tell my story without mentioning my previous husband, you would call me a liar. I have included him for the sake of accuracy. I bear him no ill will, and I have forgiven and almost totally forgotten him (except at those moments when I see his smile from one of my beloved children) and I thank God that I was blessed with them. As my daddy told my son one day when he was asked, “Grandpa, you hate my dad don’t you?”
My LDS father put his arm around my tender little son and said, “of course I don’t hate him. If not for him, I wouldn’t have you!”
That story still causes tears to stream from my eyes.
Rams, don’t lead yourself to think that you know about me. You would be very much mistaken. That testimony was given to a particular person at a particular time in response to a particular subject. That subject was my sin and my forgiveness.
I am forgiven. That IS my testimony. So can you be, so that you may too move on with your life and make it as meaningful and successful as possible.
I did.
there is no such thing as a hierarchy we are all lay men accept for those annoited and they don’t get into low talk!
Man that chip must be embedded in your shoulder! Do you wear a wedding ring? That’s in the ball park ...
It is Mormon, not Morman. Thanks.
That’s ridiculous, Bigjoe. I will defend Jehovah’s Witnesses against such slander as readily as I will my own faith (albeit without as much in-depth knowledge). Why do you append the term “cult” to their church simply because its doctrines disagree with those that you believe?
“Cult” has a terribly negative connotation in our language. To use it is a habit that far too many Christians have picked up whenever they start to feel threatened by the beliefs of others.
I don’t agree with Witnesses’ doctrine, and some of it seems silly to me. But when you call them cultists, you are essentially calling them evil - such is the power of the word’s connotation. I have known several witnesses over the years, and they are just as decent of Christians as any other denomination - in some ways they’re even stronger in their faith than most other Christians because of the bigotry that they endure.
Get off this silly name-calling. You disagree? Fine. Tell us how and why (on the religion forum, preferably). But you unjustly branding another denomination as a cult is as ridiculous, untrue, and intellectually immature as me walking up to you and calling you a poopy-head.
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