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WILL 2008 MEAN DOOM FOR REPUBLICANS?
boblonsberry.com ^ | 03/28/07 | Bob Lonsberry

Posted on 03/28/2007 5:37:45 AM PDT by shortstop

The way it stands now, we Republicans are on track to get the thumping of a lifetime. We are about to get spanked, and spanked hard.

I realized that the other day when I saw this bumper sticker: “Is it 2008 yet?”

The point was clear. Democrats are eager for 2008 to come; Republicans are living in fear of its arrival.

Because our party is on the rocks.

George W. Bush and several years of a GOP congressional majority have just about killed it.

And the horizon looks dark and foreboding.

Let’s look at the two parties’ presidential prospects. The Democrats have two excellent candidates. We Republicans have two relatively weak candidates.

Though I disagree with them both, Barak Obama and Hillary Clinton are both electric candidates. They excite people, especially Democrat people. They both would be superstars on the international scene.

And they both are liberals.

Though they are each trying to conceal that little fact at this stage of the campaign, the two leading Democrat candidates are dyed-in-the-wool liberals. That’s probably a good thing for a Democrat candidate to be. It certainly would be seen as a good trait by the party’s philosophical core – which is itself liberal.

So the Democrats have two head-turning candidates who believe in things that represent the party’s traditions and which jibe with the beliefs of the party’s most active and vocal members.

If you’re a Democrat, that’s a good thing.

We Republicans, on the other hand, face a different prospect.

Rudy Giuliani and John McCain, while each is a man of significant accomplishment, don’t have the marquee appeal of the Democrats. They are probably Grade B politicians. Senator McCain is clearly a brave patriot, but he was shot down more than 40 years ago and those who remember the significance of his service are few. Mayor Giuliani owes his national reputation as much to “Saturday Night Live” as to anything else.

And they both are liberals.

On the great issues of our day and our Republic, John McCain and Rudy Giuliani have spent their careers closer to the Democrat position than the Republican position. And that’s not so fun for conservatives, who are the party’s base. They face the likely prospect of having a candidate whose philosophy they disagree with.

That’s not good.

Compound that with the fact that the mismanagement of the war has turned the country not only against it, but in large part against the notion of national self-defense. The true Republican position on the war would be to fight it ruthlessly to completion. After this experience, it is far more likely the country will have no stomach for any fight whatsoever. That’s why Iran is posing 10 times the threat Iraq posed and getting one-tenth the flak from the United States.

Responsibility for that can only be attributed to President Bush. He roused the nation’s spirits after September 11, and led us into war, but somehow has not been successful at maintaining our interest and commitment. In all likelihood, the Iraq war will be a defining issue in 2008 and it won’t break in the Republicans’ favor.

Another area where we suffer is, unlike the Democrats, we have no galvanizing issue or cause. Winning the Congress for the GOP is no longer a draw. We did that already and got nothing out of it. Winning the White House in order to control Supreme Court nominations died the day George W. Bush uttered the name, “Harriet Myers.”

There is no real reason, other than fear of Hillary, that even comes close to uniting Republicans.

Democrats, on the other hand, are so seething with hatred for George W. Bush and conservatives – though George W. Bush is not a conservative – that they are highly motivated for the election. They are on fire with zeal in anticipation of 2008.

You add it all up and the Democrats are holding most of the cards. We Republicans can’t even seem to get excited or frightened by the contest.

Which is a good way to lose.

As it stands now, 2008 will be a Democrat romp. Only an unexpected and monumental collapse by the Democrats, or an unexpected and monumental surge by the Republicans, stands any chance of shaking things up.

Which is pretty gloomy.

And it means that while the Democrats are looking forward to 2008, the next best chance for Republicans is 2010 or 2012.

And that’s an awful long time.

So long, in fact, you wonder what form the Republican Party will take as it suffers all those years locked out of power.


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2008; deathofthewest; doom4america; election; elections; fredthompson; hillary; obama; weredoomed
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To: shortstop

Of course we'll pick it apart. His article and his entire blogsphere is nothing but bad news and doom and gloom. Who needs that kinda cr@p?

Nobody can predict what is going to happen at this point. Any possible outcome is sheer speculation. Both Hillary and Obama are media darlings who would crash and burn under a debate with Gulianni, Romney or McCain.

I'm all for facing facts, but if you're going to post some doom and gloom, at least make it from a respectable source. This is like the underdog coach telling his players before the game; "well guys, we're probably going to get mopped up... uhhh... go team..."


61 posted on 03/28/2007 6:23:35 AM PDT by No_More_Harkin
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To: Brilliant
Yep, I remember that, it lasted one whole year 1993, then came the 1994 campaign and poof, all gone ...

Democrats can't help themselves, raise taxes, fund socialism and gun control so you can't do anything about it. That's all they know, that's all they have ever known.

62 posted on 03/28/2007 6:26:46 AM PDT by Tarpon
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To: Always Right

Fred Thompson, any republican would crush Hillary if they acted like conservatives. Let's hear Fred Thompson say we must secure the ports, and we must secure the borders. We must deport the 12 million illegals in the country. We will increase revenues to the government by further reducing tax rates. Global warming is not caused by people but by the sun and volcanoes and the oceans. Activist judges, justices must not be tolerated.


63 posted on 03/28/2007 6:27:06 AM PDT by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: shortstop

Along with the corrosion of the culture and the dumbing down of the educated, we are now to accept the diluting of the Republican Party with the nomination of a man whose own mother doesn't find him a credible conservative. (And 2/3 of whose wives don't find him honorable.)
We can do better, and we must.


64 posted on 03/28/2007 6:27:54 AM PDT by Graymatter (Support FREDeralism in 2008!)
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To: Brilliant

Immigrants are not like the welfare recipients who rely on rat handouts to get by....most immigrants are capitalists more than socialists....again; if the Republicans lead they can get legal immigrants into their voting base- a lot of them are already there...yet if they sit around and react they are screwed...


65 posted on 03/28/2007 6:28:51 AM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: shortstop; derllak; JB in Whitefish

Right now if things continue the way they are going, I would have to agree with these statements.

The Republican Party with the RNC in the lead, couldn't find it's own ass with both hands and a road map.


66 posted on 03/28/2007 6:30:47 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: shortstop

Sounds like Mr. Lonsberry has gotten into the kool-aid early this a.m.


67 posted on 03/28/2007 6:30:49 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: shortstop
IMHO the Dem's really screwed up starting this election campaigning two years out. The Clinton camp is too open to scandals, not just one or two but many. I do not know how much Rudy can stand up to scrutiny, probably better than Hill.

The Repub political machine has the opportunity to really cream Hillery if she wins the nomination. So far with Rudy, Hill and Obana I see this as an American Idol election because non of them have been pressed hard with questions on any national or inter national theme.
68 posted on 03/28/2007 6:36:52 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: shortstop

69 posted on 03/28/2007 6:39:23 AM PDT by Gritty (Liberals want to reshape America in Europe's image: socialist, secularist and multicultural-Paul Bel)
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To: Hattie

I just want to see Hillary actually try to debate a person who can think on their feet. Fred will annialate her.


70 posted on 03/28/2007 6:43:28 AM PDT by irishtenor (Save the whales. Collect the whole set.)
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To: Russ

"It's too complicated to go into here but I believe the American people are moving away from conservative principles..."

The referendum votes against gay mariage and affirmative action and strengthening private property rights against Kelo are winning by wide margins across the country in state after state. The American people do support conservative principles. The left wing stuff is shoved down our throats by legislators.


71 posted on 03/28/2007 6:43:42 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Ice-cubes melting in the sun is an act of God. Get over it, Gore.)
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To: Williams
The GOP lost the ability to confront the dems about their leftward lurch. The dems became more and more leftist. The American people were not properly warned.

That's because the GOP matched their lurch to the left, step by step.

72 posted on 03/28/2007 6:45:18 AM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: swatbuznik
Sadly, your new found fight is not prevalent in the republican party. If you speak to republican "leaders" and try to explain that they need to fight back, they will not even bother to patronize you. They will stare at you blankly as if they are in the presence of a crazy person.

Best example: democrat leaders actually called President Bush a racist murderer over hurricane katrina. No ifs ands or buts. President Bush's response was to apologize.

You know, all this "not fighting" happens for a reason. The republicans don't have any fight in them. I see the boat sinking, but I'm just one of the millions of passengers going down with the ship. The captain and crew have deserted. Leadership matters. Right now, we are sunk.

73 posted on 03/28/2007 6:52:32 AM PDT by Williams
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To: shortstop

It's going to depend on how the war goes. If the surge works and Iraq is more stable come 2008 then Iraq isn't the issue and it's back to basic party differences. If the surge doesn't work and we're still mired down then the Democrats will probably clean up.


74 posted on 03/28/2007 6:54:03 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: mc6809e
IF President Bush would fight politically, we would not have to feel he is the worst president. Why the heck pursue policies if you are going to let the public think they are failed policies?

But there is one thing he can't escape. He abandoned a majority of Americans with his immigration policy, and undoubtedly lost great chunks of his base. As you said, too complicated to go into here in detail, but when you throw in with the liberal opposition you send the message to people that they might as well vote democrat.

75 posted on 03/28/2007 6:57:28 AM PDT by Williams
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To: shortstop
How about a Thompson-Hunter ticket?

Would that energize conservatives?

76 posted on 03/28/2007 6:58:17 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: shortstop

With 'Rat control of all three branches of government in 2008, you can count on the complete push of Owlgore's, Global Warming lie in stone and on our back and our children's back forever.

The 'Rat elite has no other goal than socialism. The Global Warming lie is a prime 'rat lever to destroy capitalism and personal freedoms.


77 posted on 03/28/2007 6:59:02 AM PDT by off-roader
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To: shortstop
I don't really mind it. If the choice is between the Democrats and a liberal GOP, I'll take the Democrats. I want a conservative party. There's not much we can do about America's drift leftwards but becoming Democrat Lite as embodied in our current crop of GOP presidential candidates, isn't the answer. So I don't really dread next year. A Democrat win will allow the party to develop better talent and decide what kind of party it wants to be. I do know being more genteel liberals isn't going to help for the Democrats will always be better in that department. My view is conservatives have to return to Reagan's vision, even if it means being a long time in the political wildnerness. We need to offer Americans, not an echo of liberalism but a real alternative. In the end, the only way to defeat the Left lies in not becoming like them.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

78 posted on 03/28/2007 7:06:57 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: redgolum

100% correct.


79 posted on 03/28/2007 7:07:58 AM PDT by rintense (I'm 4 Thompson!)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I'm going to take issue with your point about it "all hinging on Iraq."

The Democrats, along with their supporters in the MSM, are fixing in the public mind that Iraq is a failure. They can & will maintain this conclusion right through the election. Nothing short of a troop withdawal will change the public perception.

Liberal Democrats & the MSM are knee-jerk anti-war. They will hold together in this conspiracy. Second, they have convinced the mushy-middle to focus on US casualties as the measure of 'progress'. Notice that when US casualties drop for a period that they switch to reporting Iraqi civilian casualties. As long as the Iraqi insurgents supply the MSM with a steady drumbeat of Iraqi casualties, the MSM will trumpet this as emblematic of Bush (read Republican) failure.

What the Republicans need to do is Spread-the-Floor -- engage the Democrats on a whole range of issues and espouse conservative values. Give the voters a choice. Then we win.


80 posted on 03/28/2007 7:08:55 AM PDT by Tallguy
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