Posted on 03/27/2007 6:32:11 AM PDT by pissant
Play along with me this morning. Would you vote for the following candidate? This person supports parental notification laws and a ban on partial birth abortion; is a strong supporter of the Second Amendment and believes mariage is between a man and a woman. Don't look any further. In your mind, does this candidate seem attractive? Yes or No?
Guess what. That's how Rudy Giuliani describes himself. If you go to his website, that's how he lays out his positions on three very sensitive topics. What about this bleeding heart socially liberal Republican. As you might imagine, it is nowhere to be found on his website. The Brody File has pulled the three parapgraphs from his website that lay out his position on abortion, guns and marriage.
Abortion:
"Rudy Giuliani supports reasonable restrictions on abortion such as parental notification with a judicial bypass and a ban on partial birth abortion – except when the life of the mother is at stake. He’s proud that adoptions increased 66% while abortions decreased over 16% in New York City when he was Mayor. But Rudy understands that this is a deeply personal moral dilemma, and people of good conscience can disagree respectfully. Ultimately he believes that it is a decision between a woman, her doctor, her family, and her God."
Guns:
"Rudy Giuliani is a strong supporter of the Second Amendment. When he was Mayor of a city suffering an average of almost 2000 murders a year, he protected people by getting illegal handguns out of the hands of criminals. As a result, shootings fell by 72% and the murder rate was cut by two-thirds. But Rudy understands that what works in New York doesn’t necessarily work in Mississippi or Montana."
Marriage:
"Rudy Giuliani believes marriage is between a man and a woman. He does not - and has never - supported gay marriage. But he believes in equal rights under law for all Americans. That's why he supports domestic partnerships that provide stability for committed partners in important legal and personal matters, while preserving the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman."
If you were an Evangelical who just stepped onto this Earth from Planet Pluto (oh wait,sorry, Pluto is no longer a Planet. I thought scientists were "always" right?), after reading that, you may not understand why a large segment of Evangelicals may have a problem with Rudy. But the religious conservatives who live here on Earth might think those paragraphs on his website are just a tad bit disengenous. Actually, now that I think of it, I'm sure others have a much different word for it. Does the way he portrays himself on his website bother you or do you just chalk it up to political spin just like every other candidate out there? Comments?
-come off it.....this IS STILL the primaries.........Rudy is hardly conservative or pro-life......I am shopping around for a candidate that will better represent my views.
That's funny, since we are and have been kicking ass in Iraq and Afghanistan. There is no lost war, only in Murtha's and the MSM's imaginations.
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Unfortunately, this message doesn't seem to be getting through to the pro-Rudy crowd.
"HAS BECOME"? Looking at his own personal history, I would say he has always had this problem. He's just never been so scrutinized until now. This is a good example of how past personal character flaws reveal the true candidate.
That isn't the point.
You were extremely condescening to Rudy critics with that post. For having the gall to look at Rudy's past actions, when he did not need our votes, as opposed to his current claims, when he does. And that is rank cynical opportunism. Rudy now wants to pretend he can shift to a pro-PBA ban position and have people believe him, when he still says he is pro-choice and he was AGGRESSIVELY pro-abort in the past. And you have the nerve to say we're wrong when we are right in questioning the veracity of Rudy's shift, GIVEN HIS PAST.
The irony on these Rudy hatefest threads runs deep. LOL.
Irony? I am for two conservative GOP candidates. I am not the one who is pointing at Hillary as the primary reason to vote for my guy. I am also not the one shilling for a liberal on a conservative website.
"BTW when you ran down your list, you missed the two most important issues in my eyes and they have nothing to do with morality."
Well don't be coy, I'm not going to play guessing games with you.
Sad to say, that's about the same agenda Rudy would follow...
Oh? You are? :-)
Being -for- somebody who won't ever be elected is easier rhetoric, isn't it? Makes everything so simple.
Ah, it's so fascinating to hear the call of the North American "only true conservative" in his native habitat.
A rare species, descended from the nearly-extinct 'Buchannanite' conservatives, you can spot one by it's distinctive mating call, "If you disagree with me about X, you're a traitorous liberal Democrat!"
What the Hell, damned if we do, damned if we don't, one democrat is about the same as any other!
I'm tired of "but, Hilary is even worse" find another line of B.S.
No, third party. Principle over party. I don't have to agree with everything a candidate believes in order to vote for him (if that were true, I could only vote for myself), but there is a threshold and Giuliani crosses it.
I am for Hunter and Thompson - and Thompson has the best chance of anyone, IMO, including Rudy. Unlike Rudy, Thompson is center-right.
Liberal Congress you mean with a Liberal in the whitehouse.
That "anyone but a Democrat" argument is old, it's tired and it no longer holds water.
If I lose my second amendment rights because of a Liberal Republican or a Liberal Democrat
What have I gained?
If a Liberal Republican or a Liberal Democrat both support abortion.
What have I gained?
If a Liberal Republican or a Liberal Democrat both raise taxes.
What have I gained?
If a Libera Republican or a Liberal Democrat both grant amnesty to Illegal Invaders.
What have I gained?
If a Liberal Republican or a Liberal Democrat both ram through a socialist agenda.
What have I gained?
If a Liberal Republican or a Liberal Democrat both support enviro-nazi agendas.
What have I gained?
The issue is not about Democrat Vs Republican anymore. I've heard that tired assed argument for 32 years. It no longer holds any weight with me.
The Republican party can get off of it's high friggin horse and start giving it's base something to support or it will find itself on the losing end of another election in 2008.
I flat will NOT vote for a Man or a Woman simply because they have an "R" by their name.
I definately will not support one that has a 90% Liberal Background.
If you don't like that then I don't know what to tell you.
But here's a suggestion.
The Republicans can start giving conservatives something to get motivated about.
Mr Guiliani, Mr Mcain, Mr Romney ain't gettin the job done.
Someone who is pro-abort to the point of addressing NARAL, anti-gun to the point of prodding Carolyn McCarthy to join a gun-grabbing presser, pro-CFR, pro-illegal to the point of defying federal court orders to keep NYC's sanctuary-city policy, pro-human-caused global warming, and anti-federalist can reasonably be construed by any definition TO NOT BE A CONSERVATIVE.
Thompson supported CFR. But he's also pro-life, pro-gun and anti-global warming. An actual conservative can overlook the CFR part to get the larger body of conservativism in a candidate. Rudy offers little in the way of conservativism, and even that is tainted by his refusal to follow the rule of law in areas such as sanctuary cities and his stashing of official records that were supposed to belong to the city and the public.
Rudeo's plan is to makeover the Repub Party into a clone of the Dims.
This is not what the Founders intended. The Framers wisely intended that "checks and balances" were central to our system of government.
Every USSC decision on the subject has upheld the two-party system as essential to our governance.
Rudy is a clear and present danger to the republic, as we know it.
Rudeo would decimate two-party system and the all-important checks and balances a vibrant democracy implies.
it is not funny.
conservatives i know are pissed.
you're living in a bubble.
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