Posted on 03/25/2007 5:51:34 PM PDT by COUNTrecount
(CBS) When John and Elizabeth Edwards announced this past Thursday that her breast cancer had returned and spread to her bones, and that his presidential campaign would continue, they sparked a national discussion about the choices involved.
At this stage Elizabeth's cancer is incurable and treatment doesn't always prolong life. Was it the right decision to stay in the race? Can John Edwards run for president and care for his wife and family, a family that has already suffered the death of a son more than a decade ago? Can John Edwards be president without being distracted by his wife's illness?
Those are some of the questions 60 Minutes correspondent Katie Couric asked the couple this weekend after a campaign event in Las Vegas.
Katie Couric: Elizabeth, first and foremost, how are you feeling?
Elizabeth Edwards: Actually, I feel fine. I mean, except for a cracked rib that is completely unrelated to any of the more serious issues I face, I feel terrific.
Katie Couric: Have you found that people are relating to you a bit differently with this news?
Elizabeth Edwards: Well, I mean, I had somebody... hug me... in the last hour with a tear going down the side of her face. And I'm actually hoping that's one of the things that this discussion will fix. That people will see that – that you're not necessarily dying of cancer but you can also live with cancer and that – and you can live a full life. Concentrate on the things that matter to you.
We're all going to die. And I pretty much know what I'm going to die of now. But I – I do want to live as full and normal a life as I can from this point on.
Katie Couric: Have you received any additional information the last couple of days about where the cancer might have spread other than this area of your ribs?
Elizabeth Edwards: That was... there... we... there are a couple of hot spots, on the bone scan, in my right hip, for example. And one of the questions is whether or not to do radiation to reduce the size of that – of the cancer in that location and for fear that it might weaken my bone and that I might break my hip. But their consensus was that it was too small an area for that to be a risk.
So, you know, we were on a real roller coaster, the two of us, on Wednesday. Katie Couric: Tell me about that roller coaster.
John Edwards: Well, we went to the hospital... and it became pretty clear to me that there were at least two or three suspicious places on the bone scan. Elizabeth looked at it and saw exactly the same thing. Both of us were worried before we even had the doctor interpret the bone scan. And then the doctor came in and confirmed what – what both of us already thought, which is that it looked like metastatic disease. That it looked like it-- it-- the cancer was back.
Katie Couric: Tell me what went through your mind when you looked at that bone scan?
John Edwards: Pain – hurt, I mean, I was – for me, I was very worried about the woman I love more than anything.
I was pacing back and forth in the room where the bone scan was being done trying to look at it from every angle and see if it...
Elizabeth Edwards: Went away somewhere?
John Edwards: Yeah, I wanted it to go away. It didn't go away.
Katie Couric: Were you terrified you might lose your wife?
John Edwards: Of course, absolutely, but I've been worried about that for... for several years now.
Katie Couric: That must have been hard once again to have to face your kids and to talk to Emma Claire and Jack who are 8 and 6. That is tough.
What did you say?
John Edwards: I said, "Well, Mommy's cancer's back."
And they said, "Can she die from this?"
And I said, "Yes, but she could live a very long time."
And then Elizabeth said all of us are going to die eventually. We’re all gonna die from something. And mommy knows now what she’s probably going to die from.
Katie Couric: Can you describe the decision making process for me in terms of what should we do now? Do we stay in? Do we suspend it temporarily? Do I call the whole thing off? Do we call the whole thing off? How did that unfold?
John Edwards: Well, first the decision was made by the two of us, no one else... as it should be. And she said to me, "This is what we believe in. This is what we're spending our lives doing. It's where our heart and soul is. And we can not stop."
The doctor came in. And I said, "I need to know. We have a tough decision to make. We know what we want to do. But I need to know whether Elizabeth can physically do this and I don't mean physically stay at home and watch me do it. I mean, can she physically do it, go out on the campaign trail, do all the work that needs to be done?"
The country's going to want to hear from her, and I knew that. And the doctor said yes she absolutely could physically do it. Elizabeth Edwards: You know, you really have two choices here. I mean, either you push forward with the things that you were doing yesterday or you start dying. That seems to be your only two choices. If I had given up everything that my life was about – first of all, I'd let cancer win before it needed to. You know, maybe eventually it will win. But I'd let it win before I needed to.
And I'd just basically start dying. I don't want to do that. I want to live. And I want to do the work that I want next year to look like last year and... and the year after that and the year after that. And the only way to do that is to say I'm going to keep on with my life.
Katie Couric: At your press conference, you were both extremely confident, very upbeat.
Elizabeth said, “Right now we feel incredibly optimistic. I don’t expect my life to be significantly different.”
And I think some people wondered if you were in denial, if you were being realistic about what you were going to be facing here.
Elizabeth Edwards: I... I... I... I think that it is our intention to deny cancer any control over us.
And though I know there are people who live short lives, I feel optimistic, not because I've got rose-colored glasses on, but because I know that I have only low-volume... a small amount of cancer in my bones.
John Edwards: We don't understate or misunderstand the seriousness of this. I mean, this could kill her, and we know it. And what we won't choose to do is... we choose to live our lives fully, and with strength and optimism. We get to make that choice.
And that's what we choose.
Katie Couric: Your decision to stay in this race has been analyzed, and quite frankly judged by a lot of people. And some say, what you're doing is courageous, others say it's callous. Some say, "Isn't it wonderful they care for something greater than themselves?" And others say, "It's a case of insatiable ambition." You say?
John Edwards: I say all of those judgments and questions are entirely legitimate. I mean, you offer yourself up for service to the country as the President of the United States, you deserve to be evaluated. I am perfectly open to that evaluation. I think that I know, when I'm running for president, I'm running for president because I want to serve this country, and because I want all people in America to have the same kind of chances that I've had.
I've come from nothing to now have everything. And I think everybody in this country, no matter who their family is, or what the color of their skin, ought to get that chance.
But, throughout this process, people will be able to see very clearly into what we do, what we say, how we behave, and they can evaluate for themselves whether they think I'm, in fact, doing this for the right reason.
We know the truth. We know the truth, but I think it's a fair judgment for Americans to make.
Elizabeth Edwards: Cancer took a lot away from us a few years ago. It took a year of my life and a lot of John's. I didn't want it to take this away not just from me but from those people who depend on our having the kind of president he would be.
Katie Couric: Here you're staring at possible death...
Elizabeth Edwards: Aren't we all though.
Katie Couric: And you're thinking, "I don't want to deprive the country of having my husband lead us."
Elizabeth Edwards: That would be my legacy wouldn't it, Katie. That I'd... that I'd... that I'd... that I'd taken out this fine man from the possibility of giving a great service. I mean, I don't want that to be my legacy.
Katie Couric: Politics, as you know, can be a cynical business.
John Edwards: No!
Katie Couric: You didn't know that?
John Edwards: Yeah, I was not aware of that.
Katie Couric: Glad I... (laughter) I’m glad I could teach you something today. Some have suggested that you're capitalizing on this.
John Edwards: Here's what I would say about that.
First of all, there's not a single person in America that should vote for me because Elizabeth has cancer. Not a one. If you're considering doing it, don't do it. Do not vote for us because you feel some sympathy or compassion for us. That would be an enormous mistake. The vote for the presidency is far too important for any of those things to influence it.
But, I think every single candidate for president, Republican and Democratic have lives, personal lives, that indicate something about what kind of human being they are. And I think it is a fair evaluation for America to engage in to look at what kind of human beings each of us are, and what kind of president we'd make.
Katie Couric: Some people watching this would say, "I would put my family first always, and my job second." And you're doing the exact opposite. You're putting your work first, and your family second.
John Edwards: But this is not work. Work is what I did as a lawyer. This is service. This is... this is a country that I love – both of us love, as much as we love our lives.
Katie Couric: I guess some people would say that there's some middle ground. You don't have to necessarily stay at home and feel sorry for yourself, and do nothing. But, if given a finite – a possibly finite period of time on the planet – being on the campaign trail, away from my children, a lot of time, and sort of pursuing this goal, is not, necessarily, what I'd do.
John Edwards: Well, but we all... we are all different, number one. Number two, we all have a finite period time, and the idea that we know what that finite period is, is a fantasy to begin with.
Elizabeth Edwards: We learned that in ’96.
John Edwards: As we learned in 1996, with our son. We don’t know what’s gonna happen. We don't know what's gonna happen tomorrow. We have to live today the best way we know how. And that's exactly what the two of us are doing. I do think, though, that we have to be very sensitive about the tension that exists between our wanting to serve our country, and our children.
Elizabeth Edwards: We have been contemplating all the different ways that we can make certain that they are with us as much as possible. I've often said that the most important thing you can give your children (is) wings. Because, you're not gonna always be able to bring food to the nest. You're... sometimes... they're gonna have to be able to fly by themselves.
Katie Couric: They're 6 and 8. They're still baby birds.
Elizabeth Edwards: They are still baby birds. But...
John Edwards: But they've got to start learning to fly. And they're not ready to fly on their own yet, but they've got to start learning.
Katie Couric: Even those who may be very empathetic to what you all are facing might question your ability to run the country at the same time you're dealing with a major health crisis in your family.
John Edwards: Well, all I can tell you is I know from my own life experience that I can do it. I don't have to guess about that.
Second, people will be able to watch during the course of this campaign. And I ask them to watch.
Katie Couric: Can you understand their concern, though, Senator Edwards, that gosh, at a time when we're living in a world that is so complicated and so dangerous that the president cannot be distracted by, rightly so, caring about his wife's situation?
John Edwards: I care about her situation. I love her. And I'm gonna always care about her situation. But I understand that I have a responsibility to this country. It's why we're doing this.
And that responsibility includes the ability to focus and have clarity when hard judgments have to be made. I am completely convinced that I can do that. And it's for the country to determine whether they agree.
Katie Couric: You said, this weekend, "I am definitely in the race for the duration." If you want to give the honest answer, how can you say that, Senator Edwards, with such certainty? If, God forbid, Elizabeth doesn't respond to whatever treatment is recommended, if her health deteriorates, would you really say that?
John Edwards: We have every reason to be optimistic to be right now. I believe in my heart and soul that Elizabeth is going to do well. I do believe that.
She will be out there campaigning with me, and separately.
And if you ask me today, whether I'm in this campaign for the duration, the answer to that question is, "Yes."
1. No treatments without signed waivers of litigation, and
2. 100% co-pays, paid when services are rendered. From past experience, attorneys are notorious at being slow payers.
Seems there is some serious denial going on here. Jetting around campaigning and chemotherapy aren't exactly compatible activities.
I agree. In observing people with cancer who undergo conventional medical treatment, very few are able to continue their normal lives uninterrupted, let alone take on something all-consuming like a presidential campaign. It's great they are optimistic and want to embrace life, and I commend them for that, but I think they'd give her a better chance of survival if they would concentrate on her recovery and their family during this time. But these kinds of decisions are personal ones, and I wish them all the best. But I absolutely don't want John Edwards as my president! I hate to see them go through all this, risking her health, when he's not going to end up president anyway.
I agree. Nothing else should matter. At this point personal ambition is meaningless. Time spent & enjoyed together before it becomes physically unbearable (and it will) should be the focus right now.
Will keep you & your family in prayer. God bless.
I got so angry when I watched this interview.
The notion that this jackass is "selfless" and just "trying to serve the USA" is a joke.
He's an ambitious, power-hungry man.
We should all watch the CBS Evening News with Katie Couric because she is THAT good. Really she is.
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My wife is a cancer survivor, so I have had some experience. I would not at all be surprised if he drops out in a week or so. Anger first, then denial; reality will come soon. As you, I don't want Edwards for President and don't think he can win, but I can certainly empathize with their plight.
Both mommy and daddy should be home with those kids every day possible unless the kids are traveling with them.
IF they DIDN'T run for the Presidency, what else would they do?? They have nothing to go back to except politics....nothing. I doubt if running that Wade Edwards Foundation, whatever that is, would take up very much time.....so they go out and get other people's money and enjoy the adoration. Good Gig, actually.
Would else would they do? A kindergardener and a first grader, that's what. Six and eight years old.
I know.....but they LOVE the adoration that people on the campaign trail give them. I don't understand it either, but it's addictive!
Thank you so much!
Dear derllak,
That *is* what life is about. Caring for the sick is life itself. As is raising the children.
Thanks.
"I hear what they said about John wanting to serve his country, but I think serving his family should be first at this time." Perhaps they are trying to put on a brave front for the kids by keeping things business as usual. But to frame this as him needing to continue as a service to his country is misguided, if not arrogant. Even by liberal standards, there are any number of people who could serve our country in that capacity. There is only one person who can serve as the kids' mom and only one person who can serve as their dad. There will be plenty of other opportunities for Edwards to serve his country -- right now, these kids need their mom.
It's fleeting.
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