Nobody is interested a real discussion.
That's one of my observations as well. In fact I don't think some even come on the threads to discuss - they come to spam and to attack - to argue - to fight.
The problem is that real ill-will is being created and those who are natural allies are turning into enemies. It may be that a political realignment is what will eventually happen here. There is genuine animosity between the sides here.
It amazes me how far down the sewer the GOP has gone to even consider a candidate like Giuliani. By all accounts he should be running on the other side. Heck even the Dems have candidates that take more conservative stands than Giuliani does. No way he wins an election anyways. Won't get the Christian vote due to his pro-abortion views. Won't get the vote from those of us who actually believe in the constitution, especially those of us who hold the 2nd Amendment as sacred which it is. Nope no chance. Only good from this is that the GOP will go down in flames in 08 and hopefully regroup and get back to real conservative values and candidates.