Posted on 03/14/2007 6:47:10 AM PDT by areafiftyone
It's the dems, via the MSM, doing it! They tell us for months Rudy is our man, and the only one who can win, and the Rutards here suck it up and vigorously support such a foolish notion, then they will tear us down.
Rudy is going to sink. I jus hope it's before the primaries, not between the primary and general elections.
The Rudy FRiberals are freaked-out about Thompson getting into the race because whether they will admit it or not, the ONLY appeal Rudy had to the mainstream of the GOP was name recognition. With Thompson in the race, Rudy just becomes another far-left Republican.
They love to say that Rudy is the only one who can beat Hillary. If that's the case, then why didn't he run against her in 2000? The Rudyites say it was because of his health, but he didn't step down as mayor and being mayor of NYC is arguably more stressful than a senatorial campaign. Why didn't he run against her last fall? They say that he didn't want to do back-to-back campaigns, but she doesn't seem to have a problem with it. If Rudy can beat Hillary he should have proved it, the GOP would have control of the Senate and after losing her seat, Hillary would have been out of politics forever.
"Which Red States do you think will flip to the Dems?
West Virginia: The Republicans carried this state in 2000 and 2004 by narrow margins because of Bush's appeal to evangelicals and gun owners. Otherwise, WV is solidly Democrat. With conservative indifference to Giuliani, I could see a Democratic win here.
Ohio: The foul ups and corruption on the part of the state GOP may make the Buckeye State go Democratic in 2008, irrespective of whom the Republicans choose as President."
Yep, Bush squeaked by in Ohio due largely to the efforts of the Amish and farmers. Certain Amish precincts had 100% turnout for Bush. They voted GOP because they feared the liberal agenda of abortion, gay rights and gun control.
Same with WV. Our predominantly Democrat state voted GOP. Many union members were told to hold their noses and vote Democrat. They broke with the unions because of the reasons listed above.
So what does Rudy have to offer? Most of his beliefs are appalling to us. If he is the nominee, the DNC will carry WV. Ohio too, unless something very unusual happens.
They love to say that Rudy is the only one who can beat Hillary. If that's the case, then why didn't he run against her in 2000? The Rudyites say it was because of his health, but he didn't step down as mayor and being mayor of NYC is arguably more stressful than a senatorial campaign. Why didn't he run against her last fall? They say that he didn't want to do back-to-back campaigns, but she doesn't seem to have a problem with it. If Rudy can beat Hillary he should have proved it, the GOP would have control of the Senate and after losing her seat, Hillary would have been out of politics forever.
Now there you go again, using logic and making sense.
Rudy doesn't have the prostate to run against her.
After the 2006 midterm elections, RUSH said he was actually relieved, because he was tired of carrying the water for the cowardly Republicans. I understood immediately what he meant.
Now, the Republicans are asking us to support a flaming liberal just because he has an (R) after his name. The cowardly Republicans are once again caving to the liberals, and no way am I going to vote for a liberal just to keep them feeling secure.
My husband and I are not going to carry their water for them this time , either. We'll vote for a Conservative and only a Conservative. Enough of this left wing pandering crap by the Republicans.
You must have missed the memo. Using logic, making sense and simply stating the facts is now covered under the term "SMEARING."
Actually, Giuliani should choose a Vice Presidential candidate who augments his appeal in his native Northeast or in California. If Giuliani can pick up CA, PA, DE, NJ. CT, RI, NH, and ME, he would receive 125 electoral votes. Even if the Democrats carried all the states I listed, Giuliani would lose 98 electoral votes. If he could carry his home state, that would be an additional 31 electoral votes. A win in California is the key to a successful Giuliani campaign. Contrary to conventional wisdom, a liberal to moderate Republican from California (not Schwarzenegger, who was born in Austria) or the Northeast would be a better choice for VP for Giuliani.
You'll see a mass influx of people moving away from Rudy to FDT as well. What's your point? I understand you want to protect your job and all, but the guy's right. You aren't making any sense at all.
Rudy might keep the Red states if they don't find out about his positions on abortion, gun control, homosexual agenda and illegal border invaders. That cannot be kept secret any longer. Southerners will bolt by the millions against that sort of candidate.
Oh, all right... If it has to be Rudy, and since beggars can't be choosers, I guess that I'll just have to go along. So to that end, here's my contribution to the cause: I'll give Rudy the winning campaign slogan. Here goes...
Rudy: He doesn't suck as much as the other liberal candidate.
Yup... That's a winner.
Bush Sr was also down in the polls by over 30 points during the period that Perot dropped out of the race. Clinton also fooled many conservatives by running as a new Democrat.
Thompson is very similar to Dole in ACU ratings...other than him being a television actor and appearing less stodgy, what's the difference?
I like Fred Thompson. He certainly looks presidential, and that's a plus. He plays enough roles that people will say, "Oh yeah, that guy" if they see his picture, which is also a plus. Still, he's not very experienced or particularly well known as a politician. (Not that experience is apparently a major factor, as both Hillary and Obama are quite short of it.)
The biggest problem I see is that the swing voters are hungry from something different. To be frank, everyone is. That's why Hillary and Obama are doing so well in Democratic polls, and Rudy is doing so well in Republican ones. My concern is that we're going to bring out some a standard issue, sensible, average white guy (again, pardon the expression, I'm just putting it in the context that swing voters will see it in). The last thing the voters are in the mood for is a pleasant, respectable Midwestern governor who seems anything like President Bush.
Granted, Thompson is a lot more engaging and personable than your average Senator. I just don't see him or someone like him being able to get America's attention right now. The electorate (not the MSM) is reaching past the establishments on both sides right now, drawing folks like Obama and Giuliani to the fore. Either we tap that sentiment, or we cede the center to the left. Thompsons a very nice guy with an average acting career, sensible views, and a quiet run in the Senate. Unless he's got some pizazz in the bag, 2008 just isn't his year.
Well, for starters, Fred Thompson is a heck of a lot more dynamic. He also speaks with authority in a booming, masculine voice, unlike the lisping Rudy Giuliani.
There is a word for people who are willing to "let the country crash and burn" because of their own vain ideals. That word is: traitor.
I will assume that you were engaging in hyperbole and are not actually a traitor. That is, unless you are a Dem troll. Then it is easy to see that the term applies.
I think Mr. Thompson has his eye on the _vice_ presidential ticket for '08. He could very credibly balance out Rudy at the top spot. And he will make an impressive candidate in the second spot.
If Rudy wins, Thompson is "in" as the heir-apparent candidate of his party, the man with the gravitas.
If Rudy loses, Thompson automatically earns front-runner status for '12.
- John
Well, I'm willing to consider Rudy as a possibility if he can get his act together on the social issues--which is increasingly more doubtful.
But it doesn't help his cause when he is supported by a flake like this.
"Similarly, had the G.O.P. simply nominated Mr. McCain in 2000, it would hardly have taken a Supreme Court decision to hand the White House to the party." Ugh. If he thinks that, why isn't he supporting McCain now? He's the right candidate for an insane voter to support.
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