Why Rudy?

Pittsburgh Tribune Review ^ | March 10, 2007 | Salena Zito

[veronica]

For the moment, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani sits on double-digit leads over the rest of the Republican presidential-hopeful pack in several national polls.

Why?

"It appears to me that Rudy is going aggressively after the conservative vote," says Pennsylvania Republican and former U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum. "He has not ceded that ground to anybody."

Santorum, known nationally for his social conservatism, says Giuliani does a good job of reminding people how he governed as a conservative on crime, welfare and taxes in New York City.

Santorum also believes Giuliani has scored points on social issues with his comments about judges and Supreme Court justices.

"Rudy understands that, on those issues, the courts are where conservatives have been losing the battle," he says. "If he is going to be appointing judges in the Scalia-Thomas (mold), then he is sending a very positive message to conservatives that he understands the importance of having the Constitution interpreted for what it says and not for what people want it to be."

[mkjessup]

Perhaps, maybe when you flush!

Projecting again are we?

[dmw]

"His record speaks louder than his lies."

The most powerful comment on this thread today!

[Blackirish]

Rudy is a democRAT.
100% RAT.

His record speaks louder than his lies.

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Yep... full blown RDS (Rudy Derangement Syndrome)

[mkjessup]

Keyes demonstrated his vote getting appeal in the two Senatorial races he LOST. The second one in Illinois will go down as a classic. Every time Keyes opened his mouth, his approval ratings plummeted. Surprise. Surprise.

Keyes has always had the tendency to be a bit 'strident', eh Dave? ;)

But do you think that Keyes inability to win was the result of him daring to speak the truth? You know that old saying 'persist in telling the truth, and you WILL pay for it!'

Hope all is good with you this morning Dave?

I'll be back later on today, adios for now!

[calex59]

For someone to come on these threads and offer the truth about someone, in this case Rudy, it is NOT spam. You want to call it spam because it upsets you to see someone tell the truth about your candidate of choice. You must realize that 75 percent of FReepers want someone else for President. The polls on hypothetical elections always give Rudy about 25 percent of the vote, that means that 75 percent of FReepers want someone else. These threads are made for debate, so if Duncan supporters come on Rudy threads and push Duncan that is their right and they are doing what FR was designed for.

As far as I can see the Rudy supporters are the big name callers, very rarely responding with actual facts and never successfully disproving the comments Rudy has made at various times, by his own words he is NOT a conservative, I don't care how much the RNC white washes him and holds him up as the shining example of Republicanism, he is NOT a conservative and will be no better than any democrat if he takes office, IMO. A real conservative is electable. If you guys don't want to see Hitlery in the WH in 08 then maybe you should get behind the conservatives who want a real conservative in office.

[presently no screen name]

negative remarks have been about Rudy, not about you.

ReallY? Why isn't that true?

You are consistently ill-mannered

Whoops! There it is - thanks for proving yourself wrong. Leave it to libs to trash and then proclaim it isn't negative.

[presently no screen name]

DOUBLE FLUSH!

[veronica]

The polls on hypothetical elections...

Polls on hypothetical elections that include hypothetical candidates aren't a gauge of anything, except of people's fantasies. I am more interested in polls about serious candidates who have a chance to win.

[dmw]

"You mean a guy who played a prosecutor on TV. Now that is reality politics aint it?"

If you pulled your head out of the boob tube on occasion maybe you would know that this guy who "played a prosecutor on tv" just so happens to be a distinguished former Senator from TN.

I do believe there was another great president who at one time was an actor...or do you not know that either?

[RepublicanPOTUSin08]

Well, if you look at recent election results and Bush's poll numbers, the GOP is at risk of becoming a regional Confederate party. Democrats are moving out of New England into Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Virginia, and they're making gains in the plains in places like Montana, Missouri, and Colorado.

Yup. That's exactly right. And the reason isn't because we've become too conservative. It's because conservatism has been redefined to mean religious issues plus national defense. That's the natural formula of the Old Confederacy, the region that is most culturally inclined to favor aggressive political action on social issues and least hesitant to use military force when necessary. (Contrasted with, say, the midwest, where I grew up, which has a strong isolationist streak and was even hesitant to commit troops to WWII --- wasn't there a Michigan senator who was the last to oppose it?)

The point is, if "conservatism" means advancing the principles of the Bible plus a strong defense, the only states that will vote Republican are those of the south and a few in the plains west, plus probably Utah due to the Mormon population. Not voting Republican will be the industrial midwest, which doesn't like to use the military and doesn't like religion in government, the northeast, which is socially progressive, and the mountain west/west coast, where in many states agnostics outnumber people of faith and which is socially libertarian. Which gives us a recipe for a new Democratic majority, if the Democrats could get their act together.

Returning to true conservatism, on the other hand, and embracing the principles of free enterprise, fiscal responsibility, separation of powers and federalism (which includes conservative judges), and only using the military when its in America's interests would allow us to compete nationally again.

[veronica]

LOL! That's a keeper. :)

[LibKill]

Show me where he has done anything pro-life or pro-gun rights. You can't.

As far as Yep... full blown RDS (Rudy Derangement Syndrome) goes, that's about what i would expect from a rudycrat.

[etradervic]

For conservative purists to think they defeated a true conservative because he was not 100% is delusional.

What is delusional is the GOP ignoring conservatives who didn't vote in the last election with the hope that they will come around. This is a big problem and PA was a proven ground of what can happen when the GOP leans Left to nominate a Lib like Spector and defeat a conservative like Toomey.

[Blackirish]

in this case Rudy, it is NOT spam

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Sure it is... when someone puts some chart or graph pro or con and obsessively posts it over and over to the point where people no longer even look at it..it's spam.

But more then that it reflects on some weird OCD thing goin on.

[veronica]

The fact is Rudy would garner enough of the and indies and Reagan Democrats to make up for the "we own the GOP and we'll stay home" crowd.

[presently no screen name]

Good luck with your continuing identity crisis.

YOU mean like YOU? Posing as a conservative but speaking up for Hillary? HA HA!

Now I have some work to do - I'll let you continue working in the war room as libs fight and conservatives work!

Just continue making Hillary proud of you, you don't want to experience her wrath! Otherwise, no lunch for you and her special meal is SPAM! She knows how much you love it.

[Thorin]

It's very interesting to see who is lining up to support a pro-abortion, pro-gay, pro-illegal, gun-grabbing adulterer.

[duckln]

The air's not so fresh around here lately

I agree, but stick with it.

Too many not so cute put downs, and as Rush would say, drive by posts.

[Blackirish]

Show me where he has done anything pro-life or pro-gun rights. You can't.

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As long as he appoints constitutionalists to the bench. The prez will have little to do with those issues anyways. Besides that this election is going to be decided in the suburbs of PA...FLA....CA...GA. where voters are getting tired of the bogey men of gun grabbers, flag burners and the gay menace.

The socons inability to get a handle on runaway spending...the borders....entitlement reform....vouchers.The WOT is costing them a seat at the table.

[veronica]

Indeed.

Folks like Ted Olson, Bud Tyrrell (The American Spectator), George Will, etc. I can live with that.

And for the record, I don't know who I will vote for. Depends on who else gets into the race. But I'll defend Rudy any time, any place. The man is a hero.