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"As it is well-established, the U.S. does not support independence for Taiwan," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said.

DPP needs to carefully consider the meaning of these words.

1 posted on 03/07/2007 5:07:40 AM PST by zook
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As it is well-established, the U.S. does not support independence for Taiwan

Freedom is on the march.

2 posted on 03/07/2007 5:11:24 AM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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Taiwan IS independent. And I HATE the media for repeating that evil "renegade province" phrase. Taiwan is an independent vibrant democracy, and has been for decades. China is going to attack and kill those people while the left applauds.


3 posted on 03/07/2007 5:11:47 AM PST by Williams
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Alternate title:

"Bush Doctrine Ends With a Whimper"


4 posted on 03/07/2007 5:14:20 AM PST by Uncle Ike (Aspiring Guru Seeks Disciples and Admiring Followers -- apply within)
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The State Department would come out with this idiotic statement, just like when it advised the Ukrainians to continue submitting to Soviet rule. The people of Taiwan do NOT want to be gang-pressed as slaves into the Chinese Communist police state. If they want independence, its their right, just as it was our right in 1776 to see the backside of an oppressive Mother Country.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

15 posted on 03/07/2007 5:43:35 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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He reminded that Chen had pledged in his 2000 and 2004 inaugurations to not declare independence, change the island state's name, or advocate other sovereignty themes.

He forgot to mention the other half of the pledge which was provided China did not threaten the use of force to take over the island. When the Chinese passed that resolution a few years ago, they did just that.

19 posted on 03/07/2007 5:47:13 AM PST by TheCipher
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"As it is well-established, the U.S. does not support independence for Taiwan," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said.

"DPP needs to carefully consider the meaning of these words."

Mr. McCormack is dead wrong. He is reading his own Chi-com appeasing sentiments into official U.S. policy.

That policy is not that "the U.S. does not support independence for Taiwan", we are officially agnostic on the subject; neither officially seeking it or officially opposing it.

The core of our position is that the issue MUST be resolved peacefully.

And, if China takes mere words as a provocation for military action the United States will defend Taiwan, as we have given our word to Taiwan on the matter of "must be resolved peacefully".

The largest percentage of the people of Taiwan (1)see themselves now, and historically as Taiwanese, not Chinese (yes there is a difference, get a history lesson from someone other than a KMT or mainland "Chinese); and (2)are not opposed to independence but want the status quo for now (they're business people, they want business to continue).

The "ideal situation" of "reunification of Taiwan and the mainland" is never going to happen peacefully unless and until the dictatorship in China is gone.

The "actions of Chen and the DPP" do not "destroy chances" for anything. They may, depending on what actually happens vs the words of the moment, create a crisis, but it is not a given fact that any particular options at that time have been "destroyed".

No matter what Taiwan does or does not do, if she is attacked by China, the U.S. will defend her (oh, and the U.S. will not be alone in that defense either).

China's prosperity is intrinsically tied to the U.S. at this point; and for the forseeable future. No matter how it feels about Taiwan, that future and its prosperity will end on the day it attacks Taiwan. Matter of fact, in spite of all its own hubris and bluster, I believe the current leaders in the dictatorship understand this.


25 posted on 03/07/2007 6:58:52 AM PST by Wuli
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Grow some balls Bush - either we do this now or later. China is going to take Taiwan back where are we going to be on the side of history? Im so disgusted with this WH for the lack of will to do whats right.


28 posted on 03/07/2007 7:09:07 AM PST by sasafras (Multiculturalism is a solvent invented by the left to destroy our culture and end our history)
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Instead of saber rattling, if Chen wanted to move Taiwan away from the mainland, he should try to change their culture away from "The Chinese Way".

A peculiar concept to westerners, The Chinese Way is a complex assortment of cultural traits that are ubiquitous in Chinese society, and in its neighboring countries.

In essence, this creates for the Chinese three types of people. The Chinese themselves; the neighboring "barbarians" who practice The Chinese Way, so are less dangerous; and "barbarians" who do not practice The Chinese Way, who are dangerous.

The Chinese feel that they can live with border nations that practice The Chinese Way, and otherwise, they can tolerate most anything those nations do. If they are terribly offensive, a punitive expedition may chastise them, but it will then leave and go back to the way things were.

However, the Chinese also feel that a border nation that does not practice The Chinese Way is a dire threat.

In past, western "imperialism" was to take over and rule other nations as colonies. But Chinese "imperialism" was to expand the culture of The Chinese Way to other nations. In some regards, they even would wish to expand The Chinese Way to the United States, if they could figure out how.

But while Chen threatening independence is annoying to the mainland, they would only feel truly threatened if he tried to "westernize" how they do things in Taiwan. Again, a thousand different things. But to both Taiwan and the mainland, this would be far more concrete, and matter far more.


30 posted on 03/07/2007 7:20:29 AM PST by Popocatapetl
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Washington called President Chen Shui-bian's pledge to push for independence "unhelpful" Monday and reiterated its stance against independence for the island Beijing regards as a renegade province.

I really wish the State Department weren't such pu$$ies.

44 posted on 03/07/2007 8:02:14 AM PST by jmc813 (Rudy Giuliani as the Republican nominee is like Martin Luther being Pope.)
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What? We *don't* support independence? What?


51 posted on 03/07/2007 8:18:06 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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Whatever happened to encouraging and supporting people who desired to be free? Especially freedom from communism.
114 posted on 03/08/2007 9:52:28 AM PST by KoRn (FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT!)
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So we go to war in other parts of the world go make people free and have Democracy, then turn around and quell Taiwan for trying to be independent. Yep, this is US politics. What, are we afraid of China? I was just in Taiwan this last year and believe me people, they love Americans down there. Instead we are willing to stick our noses in places where they hate us. Go figure.
122 posted on 03/08/2007 10:33:04 AM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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Washington called President Chen Shui-bian's pledge to push for independence "unhelpful" Monday and reiterated its stance against independence for the island Beijing regards as a renegade province. "As it is well-established, the U.S. does not support independence for Taiwan," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said.

Me thinks we should keep ourselves out of Taiwan's desire to be Independent.
Let them solve their differences with the main land China, on their own terms!

USfoA has no right to interfere in Taiwan's own affairs!. If Taiwan wants military hardware, let them have it and fight their own war if they choose to do so, for whatever reason!

At the same time I believe that it is about time for the United States of America's State Department, to stop meddling in anyones internal affairs, just because they do not like the outcome and/or the course of politics!
Over the years (perhaps as of 1945/1946)the State Department had it's arm twisting bureaucrats more or less dictating politics all over the world, in various forms.

That kind pressure politics irked a lot of our allies in one form or another.

152 posted on 03/09/2007 8:09:26 PM PST by danmar (Tomorrow's life is too late. Live today!)
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the U.S. does not support independence for Taiwan

Not so long as Taiwan is US territory. The US private sector is worth $55 trillion; public sector unknown. How much is Taiwan worth? If there is a buyer, sell it for fair market value.

166 posted on 03/10/2007 2:53:36 PM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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Washington called President Chen Shui-bian's pledge to push for independence "unhelpful" Monday and reiterated its stance against independence for the island

The same sort of statement that triggered the Iraqi army's push into Kuwait. I think it's safe to say that Washington has sent a signal that we will not intervene should China invade Taiwan.
174 posted on 03/11/2007 8:29:38 AM PDT by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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