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U.S. assails Chen's moves in direction of independence
The China Post (Taiwan) ^ | 3/7/07 | The China Post

Posted on 03/07/2007 5:07:38 AM PST by zook

Washington called President Chen Shui-bian's pledge to push for independence "unhelpful" Monday and reiterated its stance against independence for the island Beijing regards as a renegade province.

"As it is well-established, the U.S. does not support independence for Taiwan," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said.

"President (George W.) Bush has repeatedly underscored his opposition to unilateral changes to the status quo by either Taipei or Beijing because this threatens regional peace and stability, U.S. national interests and Taiwan's own welfare," McCormack said.

He reminded that Chen had pledged in his 2000 and 2004 inaugurations to not declare independence, change the island state's name, or advocate other sovereignty themes.

"President Chen's fulfillment of his commitments is a test of leadership, dependability and statesmanship and of his ability to protect Taiwan's interests, its relations with others and to maintain peace and stability in the Strait," McCormack said.

"Rhetoric that could raise doubts about these commitments is unhelpful."

On Sunday Chen told a group of Taiwan independence advocates that "Taiwan wants independence, Taiwan wants to change its name, Taiwan wants a new constitution, Taiwan wants development."

Such rhetoric in the past has angered Beijing, and raised concerns in the United States, which has pledged to protect Taiwan from Chinese military aggression.


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To: zook
Zook 97 Wuli went on to state that, "Blah blah blah, quack quack quack."

Zook 98 When asked to elaborate, Wuli stated that "yadda yadda yadda lie, yadda yadda yadda lie."

Zook 99 When pressed to explain why it was that one could find protest art displayed in galleries within walking distance of the Forbidden City, or why Bibles were sold in Chinese bookstores, Wuli replied, "well that's blah blah blah and blah blah blah blah blah."

Zook 100 You are simply a big lying mouth. You haven't said one single truthful thing during the entire time you've been addressing me. You ought to apply for work with the MSM.

You appear to lack any understanding of history, human nature, or Chinese social or political dynamics. If Ayn Rand was a Coke machine, you'd be her.

I'll send you 50 cents and you can call your mom and tell her you're not so smart after all.


4 posts and not one substantiative point...

That takes some real skill...


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101 posted on 03/07/2007 6:10:44 PM PST by WLR ("fugit impius nemine persequente iustus autem quasi leo confidens absque terrore erit")
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To: Williams

Why not?

The Left a/k/a Democrats applauded when the Communists killed milliones in VietNam and Camboda.

They applaud and wet their pants in glee each time an American Serviceman/woman is killed in Iraq or Afganistan.

So long as it is either Communists or outlaw muslims doing the killing and it is American Servicemen/women being killed, the Democrats are beside themselves with glee.

In 2006 ,aided and abetted by idiots and fools, the Demmocrats were able to begin the process of turning Iraq and Afganistan into another VietNam. With the same results.


102 posted on 03/07/2007 6:23:12 PM PST by sport
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To: WLR

WLR--I've already made all the substantive points I need to make. There's no longer any need to respond to either liars or people whose posts simply make no coherent sense.

In case you're curious, I put you in the latter category. Have a nice day.


103 posted on 03/08/2007 5:35:29 AM PST by zook
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To: All

And for those who keep denying how far China has come in granting political rights, who keep claiming that China is still the totalitarian prison camp of yesteryear, here's another FR thread revealing how the French are apparently going to crack down on free speech and press:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1797363/posts


104 posted on 03/08/2007 6:52:39 AM PST by zook
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To: zook

I know more about history, human nature, China and Chinese social and political FACTS, and contemporary dynamics than all the myriad myths and ignorant perceptions you spin about history and China put together, in all your posts.

You understand nothing about political freedom, here or there, and you know zilch about the cost of the lack of that freedom, in human terms in contemporary China today.

You have a Shanghai mall shoppers view of political reality in China and you know nothing of the political-capital nexus and dictatorial basis on which it is being built - a basis in which there will be no political freedom in China as long as it stands.

You know nothing about the political and governmental machinery that ties all major "private" enterprise into the control of the dictatorship.

You know nothing of the censorship that precludes all modern journalism, foreign and domestic, from exposing the sham of privileges that are not rights and are only allowed, and will only be allowed, as long as they serve the dictatorship of the Communist Party in China.

Nothing I have said about China was or is false. Unlike you I know what I am talking about, and am not afraid to state the facts about contemporary China instead of the myths that you and many American corporate enterprises spin for the benefit of those in China who need those myths to persist.

On my next (24th) trip to China, I will be sharing your myths and misconceptions with my freedom-loving friends there so that they can have a good laugh at how little a modern American academic understands what is going on there.


105 posted on 03/08/2007 9:31:32 AM PST by Wuli
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To: zook

When pressed to explain why the protest art and its artists disappeared two days later - after the public got the pretense it was permitted - zook said, yadda, yadda, yadda.


106 posted on 03/08/2007 9:33:47 AM PST by Wuli
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To: zook

When pressed to explain why the apartment full of bibles was raided, and what happened to its residents, zook replied "well that's blah blah blah and blah blah blah blah blah."


107 posted on 03/08/2007 9:35:26 AM PST by Wuli
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To: zook

When pressed to elaborate, zook stated that he thought "the new emperors clothes are just fabulous".


108 posted on 03/08/2007 9:36:55 AM PST by Wuli
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To: zook

as zook stated, again and again, reality does not matter, I'm the zook (no kidding)


109 posted on 03/08/2007 9:37:53 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli

I want you to type out one statement of yours--just one--that you think is not either a lie or a gross misstatement of reality.


110 posted on 03/08/2007 9:44:05 AM PST by zook
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To: Wuli

lie


111 posted on 03/08/2007 9:44:38 AM PST by zook
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To: Wuli

lie


112 posted on 03/08/2007 9:44:54 AM PST by zook
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To: Wuli

"I know more about history..."

You know nothing beyond the end of your nose. Your posts are full of lies and distortions. You appear to be a gratuitous warmonger. Not one thing you have said on this thread is true.

We are all less intelligent for having read your posts.


113 posted on 03/08/2007 9:46:58 AM PST by zook
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Whatever happened to encouraging and supporting people who desired to be free? Especially freedom from communism.
114 posted on 03/08/2007 9:52:28 AM PST by KoRn (FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT!)
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To: zook

"Your posts are full of lies and distortions."

Instead of your myths, try to back up what you say with facts (you can't). Name one lie or distortion in any of my posts about China. You can't. But you can repeat your claim over and over as often as you want. It won't produce a fact.


115 posted on 03/08/2007 10:13:08 AM PST by Wuli
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To: zook

I would have to retype all most posts on this thread, but why should I bother, you can re-read them and pick any individual statement you want.


116 posted on 03/08/2007 10:15:19 AM PST by Wuli
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To: zook

Yes zookster, we are all less intelligent for having read your posts. But, we do now have a good collection of myths from you about freedom to tell our freedom-loving Chinese friends.


117 posted on 03/08/2007 10:17:28 AM PST by Wuli
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To: zook

"You appear to be a gratuitous warmonger."

It is the weak and spineless that create wars, not the vigilant.


118 posted on 03/08/2007 10:19:16 AM PST by Wuli
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To: KoRn
Whatever happened to encouraging and supporting people who desired to be free? Especially freedom from communism

Communism is our new found friend.Haven't you heard?

119 posted on 03/08/2007 10:19:37 AM PST by quack
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To: zook
Zook, Zook wake up....

"I say snap, I say snap out of it boy"
FogHorn LegHorn

We fought two wars to keep the French Free and they are a collection of dweebs.

The Taiwanese are brave men and women who have stood defiantly against the Communist Chineese Dragon for what 60 years now?

You are not helping your side at all bringing up France. lol

Since I confuse you so I will type slowly..


China sends it's spy's to the US seeking nuclear weapons technology.

http://www.gertzfile.com/gertzfile/wires.html


"The 1998 report by the CIA and five other agencies said "losses are extensive'' at the besieged Energy Department, and include "classified nuclear weapons design information to the Chinese'' as well as declassified and unclassified material to China and other countries."


China sent money thru Monks to Gore-gatha & the Clintoons to effect the US Presidental election.

"Seventeen people were eventually convicted for fraud or for funneling Asian funds into the United States elections. A number of the convictions came against longtime Clinton-Gore friends and political appointees."

http://www.answers.com/topic/1996-united-states-campaign-finance-controversy



A Chinese General threatened to "Nuke LA" over Taiwan Independence... LOL


"If the Americans draw their missiles and position-guided ammunition on to the target zone on China's territory, I think we will have to respond with nuclear weapons," Zhu Chenghu, a major general in the People's Liberation Army, said at an official briefing, according to the Financial Times."
http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=2244


Zook:

"TI [Taiwanese Independence] is not worth a drop of American or Taiwanese blood."

We really appreciate you concern. BTW 90% of the Taiwanese people stand ready to take up arms if you try to invade.


For those that want a more in depth analysis of why shills for the Communist Chinese are desperate to weaken US public support for Taiwan..

http://www.nwc.navy.mil/press/Review/2003/Summer/art3-su3.htm


The US has significant ground forces in the Middle East...however we are using few air and naval assets.

In other words the US Navy & Air Force woule like to get something going and really warm up to the job of defending Taiwan


Defending Taiwan would allow the US Navy and Air force to play into their Strengths and the Communist Chinese weaknesses...A week into the fight the US would be short a couple Carriers (maybe) and the Chinese would be on what oil reserves they have as the tankers normally delivering to them would either be on their way to the US or at flaming hulks (assuredly).

If you want to play it nice, let's play it nice..

If you want to play it hard, let's play it hard.
BW 5th Element


See Zook we understand your game...

Darn it... an to think we are communicating in a medium created by the US Army DARPA (think they knew)...rotflol


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120 posted on 03/08/2007 10:28:58 AM PST by WLR ("fugit impius nemine persequente iustus autem quasi leo confidens absque terrore erit")
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