Posted on 03/03/2007 11:30:16 PM PST by FairOpinion
McCain-hating and Romney-bashing have been pretty much equal-opportunity pastimes around CPAC this year.
Rudy, on the other hand, has gotten mostly a free pass. And, today, his speech was filled to capacity with folks waiting in the hallway to get in. There were also dense crowds around all the TVs in the exhibit halls. The charm offensive is strong, indeed. People just love listening to him.
I took some video of conservatives quite mesmerized by the Mayor, so I'm working on getting that up. They were doing crowd control outside the hall in which he was speaking. Many of those folks crowding the hall are pro-life, social conservatives who just can't resist him, despite the policy differences. I don't think Rudy will remain unattacked, as he was this week, but the feel-good factor is big for him, no matter what kind of conservative he's talking to.
Today, he talked about leadership, security, toughness, and Reagan to a crowd who's looking for a leader in the image of Reagan in a time that needs security. It was a good pitch, and there were more people listening than have listened to anything at CPAC this week.
(Excerpt) Read more at townhall.com ...
Carry permits in NYC through Rudy's administration?
"a Republican"
Funny stuff.
Who is the REAL Rudy?
A sleaze bag who dropped a 14-year marriage with a BS annullment (second cousin), divorced a second while chasing another woman, and lived with 2 homos while the marital dust of number 2 settled...and then married again.
The funny thing, 2nd wife Donna Hanover thought she was getting the heave-ho because of Rudy's well-known relationship with yet another woman, Cristyne Lategano, the mayor's former communications director.
Who is the REAL Rudy?
A sleaze bag who dropped a 14-year marriage with a BS annullment (second cousin), divorced a second while chasing another woman, and lived with 2 homos while the marital dust of number 2 settled...and then married again.
The funny thing, 2nd wife Donna Hanover thought she was getting the heave-ho because of Rudy's well-known relationship with yet another woman, Cristyne Lategano, the mayor's former communications director.
From here:
http://www.cwfa.org/articles/318/CFI/cfreport/index.htm
Excerpt:
According to the Times, Giuliani has attended every “gay pride” parade in
New York during his eight years as mayor. In 1992, during his first run for
mayor, Giuliani took part in a homosexual “pride” parade that included a
contingent of pedophile activists marching behind a banner for NAMBLA (North
American Man/Boy Love
Then, from here:
http://users.rcn.com/kyp/sos.html
Spirit of Stonewall
Excerpt:
the organizing committee of Stonewall 25 is dominated by those intent on
imposing political censorship. To march in the parade, groups must take the
equivalent of a loyalty oath. They must pledge their support for
age-of-consent laws. Any group that favors the abolition of these laws has
been denied permission to march. The obvious intent of this ruling is to
keep the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) out of the parade,
presumably from a desire to avoid bad publicity. But it galls me that people
are being excluded not for what they do but for what they think.
Which of these members voted to allow NAMBLA to march under their own
banner? And what does NAMBLA being part of Stonewall MEAN?
http://www.stonewallvets.org/mainpage.htm#SVA_HONORARY_MEMBERS
S.V.A. Honorary Members (STONEWALL Veterans' Association)
(all 14 are supportive, considered and voted upon)
Liz J. Abzug, Rebuild Our Town Downtown, Co-Chair
(www.Abzug.com)
N.Y.C. Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg
(www.MikeBloomberg.com)
N.Y.C. Councilmember James E. (Jed) Davis, In Memorium
(www.Council.nyc.ny.us)
Congressmember Geraldine A. Ferraro
(www.search.Britannica.com)
Borough President C. Virginia Fields
(www.NewYorkers4Fields.com)
America's Mayor Rudy W. Giuliani
(www.GiulianiPartners.com)
B. Thomas Golisano, Paychex, President
(www.Paychex.com)
N.Y.C. Public Advocate Betsy F. Gotbaum
(www.PubAdvocate.nyc.gov)
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
(www.Riverkeeper.org)
Councilmember Margarita L. Lopez
(www.MargaritaLopez.com)
Martha Reeves, Motown Singer & Detroit Councilwoman
(www.STONEWALLvets.org/songsofStonewall-7.htm)
N.Y.S. Attorney General Eliot L. Spitzer
(www.Spitzer2006.com)
Steven L. Wesler, R.D.P. Group, President
(www.RDPgroup.com)
N.Y.S. Assemblymember Keith L.Wright
(www.WrightForTheFuture.com)
All of our arguments against Bush were proven right, and Even LIMBAUGH had to admit he was wrong in callig Bush a Conservative.
Some aspects on Rudy's search for perfect extra-marital sex while he was mayor, and while he was still married (from published news reports):
Gun-grabbing Rudy threw himself into the Playboy "Sex is Everything" lifestyle, early-on. Within six months of being elected Mayor, Rudy was splashed on the front page of the New York Daily News buying clothing for Christine Lategano, his "mayoral aide" (that's kinda like being a WH intern but with New York-style kneepads). Giuliani in heat was anything but subtle. He took girlfriend Lategano to baseball games WITH his kids, until his wife had had it----news pictures still exist of Lategano and the married Mayor in restaurants across the city (not having sex, though. That came after the photogs left, and in City Hall, no less, according to Hanover's own eyewitness report after a surprise visit to her husband in City Hall).
Lategano may have been hot in a tight clinch, but she was widely disliked for her rank incompetence and arrogance. Giuliani finally dumped her for newer sexual thrills, but she got paid off for heating up the Mayor's libido with an apartment and a cushy city job, arranged when Rudy dumped his appointee and loyalist, liberal honcho, Fran Reiter, from the job so Lategano could run the city's Tourist and Visitor's Bureau at $250K a year.
By 1998, Rudy had a new mistress (now his wife) and apparently was in the throes of sexual Valhalla, getting sexually blitzed every chance he could as a busy big-city Mayor who loved grabbing guns. He took his sexual plaything to a restaurant a few blocks from Gracie Mansion--so that his children and their friends would know about it. By 2000 things Rudy's sex life was getting lots of newsplay. Married Rudy was squiring his mistress to city parades and other Mayoral public events. (As one astute FReeper noted---goodness, gracious, great balls of fire. The thrills just never let up for the gun-grabbing mayor)
Rudy then publicly announced to the press his separation from his wife WITHOUT EVEN TELLING HANOVER. At the time, Rudy was taking his mistress---not his wife--- to cancer treatment sessions. He never bothered to tell his wife about his illness. Rudy then decided he could not live with his sex playmate out of his reach, and planned to bring his mistress into the Mayoral home (on the spurious claim that Hanover wasn't helping him through cancer treatments---an illness he had not even bothered to tell his wife about).
Rudy announced he wanted to "divide the mayoral home" with wife AND mistress---a transparent ploy to force his wife and children out into the streets. Hanover was forced to go to court to declare Gracie Mansion the marital home so as to exclude Rudy's sex playmate. The judge acquiesced to Hanover's plea.
Thwarted but not defeated, Rudy moved in with a happily civil unioned gay couple (apparently also in the throes of sexual blitz-dom), while his wife fended off his relentless efforts to ditch her. On Mother's day 2000, while still married, Rudy publicly paraded his mistress up and down Second Avenue for newspaper pictures. The evilness of this marital betrayal astonished even blase New Yorkers.
Giuliani's vendetta against his wife and children was still not sated. He cut the mother of his children's official security detail......but he provided government security to his mistress who had no {{ahem}} official duties unless you consider getting Rudy sexually blitzed to be "official".
Sex always wins out with Rudy. Rudy-in-heat is something else, ain't he?
My beliefs are not based on any kind of trance, religious or otherwise, but on Rudy's well-known positions on free speech (supports CFR), gun rights (supports gun registration & control), partial birth abortion (he opposes a law which actually passed the U.S. Congress), etc.
Nomination of Rudy would mark the end of the Republican Party as a vehicle for conservatism.
And your hatred of religious conservatives is obvious, to an extreme degree. You are willing to split the party just to get this non-conservative nominated.
What the Rudy bots dont get, is that while Rudy has done some great things, Rudy's moral stance is deplorable.
To say that he must be the only one because he is electable, is dead wrong.
The candidate who is electable for the GOP is the one the GOP opens up it's pockets for and supports.
THAT means we need to shoose the better man, not the likeable man.
I like Hunter, but I heard Fred Thompson is in the race...
I like it when the choice is against good and good, not fair or worse.
Kyl didn't have any choice, he's our other AZ senator. No matter what, the senator from the same state supports a senator running for President. That's just the way it is here in AZ.
I have this little 'wheel' on my mouse that lets me roll right over that stuff. :)
Yep. Jealous?
"And your hatred of religious conservatives is obvious, to an extreme degree. You are willing to split the party just to get this non-conservative nominated."
You don't read well, do you?
Where did I say that he was "my man"? I've been complaining that the cirticism is extremely one-sided, unfair and lacking in intellectual honesty and that it is intended to stifle debate. Did it ever occur to you while you may not agree with his stances on abortion and gay rights, that he may have something else to say which is still worth hearing, and which may influence the party in a positive direction?
I have said in many of these posts that Duncan Hunter has a snowball's chance and that I wouldn't vote for him, but I still want to hear what the man has to say just in case he does have something pertinent or new.
Since when did pragmatism and enlightened, truthful debate become dirty words in the republican party?
I'm glad you put some meat on the bones of the passage I posted. To the Rudybots, however, none of this will matter. My favorite excuse so far for Rudy's flings has been "Show me any politician who hasn't cheated on his/her mate."
You see, two wrongs make a right, but not a presidential candidate.
How can one be a liberal and benign?.. Stupidity?..
Giuliani knows exactly what he is doing.. I think Rudy is an ominous agent..
Envious would be more accurate. There were 30k+ carries in NYC in 1980 and are about 3k now. So! I guess you're happy that you're privileged to have one and I'm not. Sounds a bit elitist to me, but I don't really know you, so it's only a guess.
I'm not quite sure why you pinged me to this. But I can assure you, my FRiend, that while I am not a rudy basher--I am not a rudy supporter. I tend to run with a person who is a little more conservative than rudy even though the neocons don't approve.
Not at all "elitist". I follow the law to the letter. You have to, especially with something like this. The vast majority of the gun regulations in New York State do not pertain to firearms, per se (although, as you know, there is a list of proscribed firearms), but involve rather the technical and procedural aspects of obtaining the permits. It's this often bewildering array of purposely-constructed obstacles that causes most people to lose their permits; there's always another "new" form to fill in that you didn't have to previously, etc.
You can have your application rejected for obvious reasons (you have a criminal record, history of potentially dangerous mental issues, no reasonable "need" to carry, etc), but more often than not, most people have their permits squashed or denied for a variety of petty (but legally valid) reasons: there's something crossed out on your app, they can't read your handwriting, you missed the ever-changing hours at the registry office at 1PP, etc.
I personaly don't agree with the majority of those obstacles, but they are the law in this state, passed by an elected legislature. Most of the bitc*ing I hear on this subject has to do with the pain-in-the-a** paperwork, the amount of effort required to obtain it, keep it current and to keep current with the changes in law. You almost have to be a lawyer to keep it all straight. I will admit that since my father was a NYPD officer, I do know a gazillion cops (current and retired), and while I never ask them for any personal favors (Dad would roll over in his grave, probably rise from it and kick my a**, too, if I ever did), I do sometimes get a "heads-up" here and there, but nothing like "inside information". Quite frankly, I don't even carry my pistols anymore, and barely drag my long arms out anymore (I might shoot skeet every few months, but that's it).
I'd honestly sell the weapons I have (except for my shotgun!), but you know that selling them is often a bigger headache than just keeping them. Since we're put in that position, and I'm more or less forced to keep 'em (the alternative is to turn them in), it's better to comply with the law in every way I can.
My sympathies, but I have to believe there was something (other than personal animosity) involved that caused your permits to be withdrawn, and you haven't spelled it out, so I can't form a judgement as to whether it was fair or not or constituted a violation of the law.
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