Posted on 03/03/2007 3:16:02 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
Giuliani up 25 points over McCain: poll
41 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican presidential hopeful Rudolph Giuliani, virtually tied with John McCain (news, bio, voting record) in a January poll, held a 25-point lead over the Arizona senator in a Newsweek magazine survey released on Saturday.
Among registered Republicans, 59 percent said they backed the former New York City mayor and 34 percent said they favored McCain, who announced on Wednesday he would seek the presidency in 2008, Newsweek said.
"Most registered Republicans are not familiar with Giuliani's positions on key social issues," the magazine said, listing his support for abortion rights and gun control as examples.
"When asked about whether Giuliani's views on these same issues would be enough to prevent them from supporting him, few registered Republican voters said it would," it said.
Giuliani was in a statistical dead heat with McCain in a January 24-25 poll, with 48 percent compared to McCain's 44 percent, the magazine said.
Meanwhile, a Newsweek poll of registered Democrats showed Democratic Sen. Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record) chipping away at front-runner Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's lead in the past month.
Clinton enjoyed the support of 52 percent of registered Democrats in the latest poll to Obama's 38 percent. That compared with 55 percent for Clinton and 35 percent for the Illinois senator in late January, Newsweek said.
In a potential general election matchup, Giuliani was virtually tied with Clinton and former Democratic Sen. John Edwards and five points ahead of Obama in a poll of all registered voters.
Newsweek surveyed 1,202 adults on Wednesday and Thursday. The poll included 283 registered Republicans, 342 registered Democrats and 349 independents and had a margin of error of three percentage points.
If the antigun trend in the GOP is not stopped dead it will only get worse. It is not my only issue, but it is a major issue.
If what you say is true, (and I am not saying it's not) then why does "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" apply to states?
Because, in a series of court decisions over the years, the Supreme Court has held that various provisions of the Bill of Rights are now "extended" or mandatory as to the states.
The 1st Amendment has been extended. The 2nd has not yet been.
The Bill of Rights restricts the federal government. The court has used the 14th Amendment to extend some of those restrictions to the states. But it's a piece by piece process.
A state legislature is not Congress. Congress is that beast in Washington DC that we all hate, but it only passes federal laws.
The plain language of the first amendment only applies to that beast in DC. Your state legislature was free to do whatever it wanted.
I don't remember which Supreme Court case changed that. I've read it and probably cited it in several legal briefs, but it escapes me now.
Essentially, the Supreme Court said that Congress AND YOUR STATE LEGISLATURE can make no law respecting the establishment of religion.
They're doing that on a case by case basis, and it's not just the 2nd that hasn't been rewritten by the Supreme Court.
It's our job to let folks know what candidates stand for by writing letters to editors.
Let's change those poll #'s!
Well , many of the new Dims that were elected, were elected in Republican leaning districts that won't tolerate support for more gun control. It's a far different landscape from when Klinton had the bully pulpit to push his party to support this garbage .
I would say that while the Dim leaders want a renewal, they won't allow it to come up until after '08, when they think that there will be a Dim prez and congress .
Now is the time to derail this trend in the GOP. If we do not make it clear, to any candidate wanting our votes, that the GOP stands firm on RKBA, and demands a firm committment, we will have ourselves to blame for what comes next.
If, in fact, the GOP really has no firm committment to RKBA, a lot of us have been betrayed.
The leading candidates are dodging the issue right and left. It is getting tiresome. "Better than Hilary" isn't enough. My cat would be better than Hilary!
I totally agree . I've carefully studied the candidates with a real potential to win , and have only seen one that is even making an effort to win pro-gun voters. That candidate is Romney . He was the only Republican to attend the Shot Show along with NRA officials , exhibiting a true desire to make it known that he's not appalled at the sight of guns .
Romney does not have the track record that I would like in a candidate , but I understand that he was tasked with Governing a deep blue anti-gun state .
We have to let it be known that no gun control is acceptable and Romney appears to be the only one on the top tier who is even willing to court the pro-gun vote .
Education is key when it comes to the gun issue and we must make sure that Romney is fully educated on the issue so we can fully support him . Truth be told , he is the only one on the top tier who I think would/could actually advance pro-gun causes .
Watching Grover Norquist (NRA board member) vouch/ introduce Romney at CPAC , gives a bit more credence to Romney's intentions .
This a poll with Giuliani and McCain ONLY. There is no way Rudy gets 59% of the GOP support at this point.
Exactly right .
The lisp will get old, the gun grabbing older yet. The suction, the endless, murderous suction, that's the thing that will undo the 9-11 king.
How quickly we forget the unstoppable Vermont governor Dean what's his name at a time when John Skerry was hardly a blip in the polls.
A rehash of that poll we've already posted to death. I had hoped for a new one.
"Freedom is about authority," Giuliani said, responding to critics in 1998. "Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority..
http://www.alternet.org/election04/19673/
So are we clear. In Rudy's world you're only free when you cede your freedom to a "lawful authority". That's a pretty perverted view of 'freedom'.
An aside MACVSOG;
As to 'your guns' and Rudy; maybe you missed his recent quote where he says not only should all guns be registered but that ALL gun owners be "TESTED" as to their 'fitness' to own a gun (have you ever stolen a pencil from work? Oh YEAH.. Denied!). He actually equated it to getting a Driver's License. He's clueless on the intent of the 2A.
Okay, sorry for the interruption, carry on.
Of course he did. Rudy said: "Ronald Reagan....Ronald Reagan....Ronald Reagan."
Well, I stated a fact, not an opinion. That you can't recognize the difference says a lot about you.
Are you suggesting that laws in general are provided for guidance, and are strictly voluntary? No law can supersede the rights of individuals. No law can violate other parts of the Constitution. Beyond that, state and local laws should be enacted to ensure the safety of its citizens and the structure necessary to the functioning of society. To the maximum extent they should provide for the freedom of people, but will by necessity restrict freedom to meet those goals. If they are "bad" laws, the citizens will take actions to have them revoked. This concept exists everywhere to varying extent.
On the contrary, it has worked. You can pretend it hasn't, but then you'd have your head stuck in the sand or perhaps somewhere more foul.
The reason why states and municipalities can enact gun control laws is because the 2nd Amendment has not been extended to the states by the Supreme Court.
Not yet. Getting the perfect case in front of them where they'll make that ruling is a major objective.
I can see why you don't want to argue. You don't know what you're talking about.
I've tried to tell you what the current state of constitutional law regarding gun control is. Your response has been to shoot the messenger.
Have a great Sunday yourself.
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