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How Vikings May Have Navigated On Cloudy Days (More)
Live Science ^ | 3-2-2007 | Corey Binns

Posted on 03/02/2007 10:47:04 AM PST by blam

How Vikings Might Have Navigated on Cloudy Days

By Corey Binns
Special to LiveScience
posted: 02 March 2007
08:33 am ET

Vikings navigated the oceans with sundials aboard their Norse ships. But on an overcast day, sundials would have been useless. Many researchers have suggested that the on foggy days, Vikings looked toward the sky through rock crystals called sunstones to give them direction.

No one had tested the theory until recently.

A team sailed the Arctic Ocean aboard the Swedish icebreaker Oden and found that sunstones could indeed light the way in foggy and cloudy conditions.

Would have worked

Crystals such as cordierite, calcite or turmaline work like polarizing filters, changing in brightness and color as they detect the angle of sunlight. From these changes, Vikings could have accurately determined where the polarized sky light was coming from and pinpointed the direction of the sun, said biophysicist Gabor Horvath.

How it Works

Top images show the Arctic sky on day of (a) fog, (b) sun, and (c) clouds. Images d-f show patterns of the degree of linear polarization. The faint gray line delineates between the sun and the anti-sun. The direction of polarization is perpendicular to the plane of scattering determined by the sun, the observer and the celestial point observed. Readings from two different points in the sky allow one to draw circles passing through these points perpendicularly to the direction of light polarization, and the circles intersect at the sun and anti-sun. The angle of polarization can be seen in images g-i. Credit: G. Horvath/Proceedings of the Royal Society A

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KEYWORDS: ancientnavigation; calcite; cloudy; cordierite; crystals; godsgravesglyphs; iceland; middleages; navigate; navigation; renaissance; sunstone; sunstones; thevikings; turmaline; vikings

1 posted on 03/02/2007 10:47:08 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

Pretty cool stuff


2 posted on 03/02/2007 10:58:22 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Life is tough. It's even tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: blam

Or they could have stuck close to land on cloudy days...like they did on most days (sunny or cloudy)


3 posted on 03/02/2007 11:08:03 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: blam

Other link:
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4 posted on 03/02/2007 11:12:14 AM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: blam

Wonder if I could use the same technique with my polarized sunglasses? (I tend to completely lose my sense of direction on cloudy days. Especially in the Dallas suburbs, where streets are NOT laid out in a grid and tend to run every which way.)


5 posted on 03/02/2007 11:27:14 AM PST by scan59 (No matter where you go, there you are.)
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To: blam

Now that is really, really cool.


6 posted on 03/02/2007 11:28:23 AM PST by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: scan59

My sense of direction in Dallas was laid out on a visit there at night. And it was wrong. I moved to Dallas a couple of weeks later -- it took me years to get it straightened out!!!


7 posted on 03/02/2007 11:58:46 AM PST by gcruse (Having half-white Obama play the race card is like Michael Jackson playing the gender card.)
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To: gcruse

Interesting


8 posted on 03/02/2007 12:14:33 PM PST by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: blam

Here I thought crystals were just for wishful thinking. "For centuries, crystals and other gems have been desired for their alleged magical healing and mystical paranormal powers. This belief continues today among occultists and New Age healers, even though it is based on nothing more than testimonials, the placebo effect, selective thinking, wishful thinking, the Forer effect, sympathetic magic, and communal reinforcement. There is no scientific evidence that crystals are conduits of magical energies useful for healing and protection, or for telling the future."


9 posted on 03/02/2007 12:24:02 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: blam
Did you see this. Unrelated I know but still pretty interesting:

: "An ancient silver coin found in building remains in southern Athens is seen in this undated handout picture provided by the Greek Culture Ministry on Friday, March 2, 2007. Archaeologists have discovered extensive remains of what is believed to be an ancient marketplace with shops and a religious center at the southern edge of Athens. The finds, in the coastal neighborhood of Voula, cover an area of 1,500 square meters (16,000 sq. feet) and date from the 4th or 5th century B.C. the Culture Ministry said Friday." (AP Photo/Greek Culture ministry

10 posted on 03/02/2007 3:39:33 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig; blam; null and void; Sundog

This has nothing to do with the Vikings´s method but I believe the Arabs sailed north and south up the coast of India and Africa using the AlKemal (sp) plate. This was a square metal plate with a knotted string at the center. When in sight of land the plate held with the base on the horizon and the moved forward and backward until the North star touched the top of the plate. A knot was tied in the string at the point where it touched the nose to denote that specific headland.

Thereafter, in bad weather or out of sight of land they knew their latitude with reference to the coasts of Africa or India. Of course the seasonal monsoons drove them in the right direction for open ocean trade.

Apparently the Polynesians had a similar method when sailing the huge Pacific. They used the magic gourd. A gourd with two holes in it that represented the latitude of the of the islands in relation to the north star.

Sail south, and on the return find the exact latitude of your islands by using the magic gourd and turn right keeping the north star aligned at arms length with the base on the horizon. Those two holes in your water filled gourd to maintain it level in a moving environment. This way you would know when you moved either north or south of your intended track.

The height of the magician in the boat and the water level also made an artificial horizon. Navigation was one of the dark arts.

I read about these things in a navigation book about 60 years ago which simply explained the principles before all the complexities were discussed. Of course knowledge of Longitude came much later.


11 posted on 03/02/2007 5:01:23 PM PST by Cardhu
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To: Swordmaker; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...
Note: this topic is from 3/02/2007. Thanks blam.

12 posted on 11/17/2015 12:02:59 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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Season One showed how


13 posted on 11/17/2015 12:06:57 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: blam

I think they found a sunstone in a recent Viking grave. Can’t remember the source though.


14 posted on 11/17/2015 12:15:52 PM PST by ZULU (Mt. McKinley is the tallest mountain in N. America. Denali is Aleut for "scam artist.")
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I have the Viking gene, I 253, beware.


15 posted on 11/17/2015 5:47:51 PM PST by Little Bill (EVICT Queen Jean)
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To: 2banana

... or the icepack.


16 posted on 11/18/2015 3:50:52 AM PST by Tallguy
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