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To: JustaDumbBlonde; Digger
Way to go filbert ... let the liberal media dictate your convictions, or lack thereof.

Way to go, JustaDumbBlonde . . . let your passions overrule your common sense.

See how easy it is to avoid having an intellectual discussion? You might have gone down the route of "no, Newt has already taken the MSM's best shot and is still standing" or any of several other coherent and rational arguments that I could think of which would argue against my position that Newt is, fundamentally, unelectable. I'm open to persuasion.

Digger's comment about Newt being able to handle Hillary in a debate is at least a defensable assertion. I think it would be highly amusing to see Hill try to keep up with Newt's new-idea-a-minute approach.

Come on, Newtsters. I'm open to persuasion. But please, ground the persuasion in political reality, not wishful thinking.

The MSM isn't going away, and it opposes much of what we hold dear. Anyone who doesn't think that they'll throw everything they have against Newt is kidding themselves. They'll do that because (in my opinion) they're afraid of him.

And, in my opinion, they will be successful in tearing him down. They're very good at that sort of thing. That's why so many good people avoid getting into politics in the first place (and, conversely, why so many bad people do get into politics.)

68 posted on 03/01/2007 10:45:32 AM PST by filbert (More filbert at http://www.medary.com)
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To: filbert

I'm just so sorry that I didn't understand your brilliant political discussion bait. You make an asinine statement to the effect that you could support Newt if only the media liked him and I comment on same. You are now the political genius just looking for a good argument. Yeah, I see how that works.


73 posted on 03/01/2007 11:09:10 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: filbert
The MSM isn't going away, and it opposes much of what we hold dear. Anyone who doesn't think that they'll throw everything they have against Newt is kidding themselves. They'll do that because (in my opinion) they're afraid of him.

This might be wishful thinking on my part, but network news ratings and major newspaper readership ARE trending downward. I don't take it for granted that the MSM isn't going away. Their influence has certainly been reduced, as the 2004 election proved, if anything. I do think they'll throw everything they have against Newt, just as they'll do against any other Republican candidate, Rudy included. Refer back to the short-lived Rudy-Hillary senate race of 2000.

You may be right that some Republicans are charismatic enough to survive the negative press and some aren't, but I'm not willing to write ideas off just yet. Yes, Newt can sound like a professor, doesn't have a particularly heroic presence or background, and looks more like a senator than a president. But the fact remains that he's probably the most articulate speaker in the Republican party right now, and is better than anyone at explaining the basic tenets of the Republican platform, and why the conservative governing philosophy is better than the liberal.

It could just be that my support for Newt is just my own little personal rebellion against the Presidential beauty contest, reflecting a vain, subconscious hope that the average American voter still has half a brain, and that the electoral process can still produce rational decisions in the middle of the Entertainment Tonight generation. I'm probably wrong, but if I am, our country's headed down the corn chute anyway.
83 posted on 03/01/2007 1:00:11 PM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country... What more needs to be said? Gingrich/Bolton '08!)
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To: filbert
Personal life

In 1962, Gingrich married, Jackie Battley, with whom he had two daughters. Anne Manning had an affair with Gingrich in 1977. She stated in a 1995 Vanity Fair article, "We had oral sex. He prefers that modus operandi because then he can say, 'I never slept with her.'"

He divorced Jackie Battley in 1980, serving her with divorce papers and forcing her to negotiate the terms of their divorce settlement while she was in the hospital after cancer surgery. He refused to pay alimony and child support. Gingrich married another woman Marianne Ginther in late 1981.[4] They divorced in 1999, said to be because of Marianne's dislike of Washington and Newt's time away from home. Marianne was quoted in a 1996 article in Vanity Fair, stating "I don't want him to be president and I don't think he should be." He divorced her while Newt later married Callista Bisek, a House aide 23 years his junior. Mr. Gingrich resides in Virginia with Callista, who is shown with him on the back cover of his book "Winning the Future"[5].
Wikipedia

Very smart and savvy, excellent political strategist, but kind of a messy personal life.

90 posted on 03/01/2007 7:09:04 PM PST by Sharkaroo (The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.)
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