Posted on 02/28/2007 9:56:17 AM PST by Peach
Not since Teddy Roosevelt took on Tammany Hall a century ago has a New York politician closely linked to urban reform looked like presidential timber. But today ex–New York mayor Rudy Giuliani sits at or near the top of virtually every poll of potential 2008 presidential candidates. Already, Giuliani’s popularity has set off a “stop Rudy” movement among cultural conservatives, who object to his three marriages and his support for abortion rights, gay unions, and curbs on gun ownership. Some social conservatives even dismiss his achievement in reviving New York before 9/11.
An August story on the website Right Wing News, for instance, claims that Giuliani governed Gotham from “left of center.” Similarly, conservatives have been feeding the press a misleading collection of quotations by and about Giuliani, on tax policy and school choice issues, assembled to make him look like a liberal.
But in a GOP presidential field in which cultural and religious conservatives may find something to object to in every candidate who could really get nominated (and, more important, elected), Giuliani may be the most conservative candidate on a wide range of issues. Far from being a liberal, he ran New York with a conservative’s priorities: government exists above all to keep people safe in their homes and in the streets, he said, not to redistribute income, run a welfare state, or perform social engineering.
The private economy, not government, creates opportunity, he argued; government should just deliver basic services well and then get out of the private sector’s way. He denied that cities and their citizens were victims of vast forces outside their control, and he urged New Yorkers to take personal responsibility for their lives.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=26604
Big, fat, lie.
Ahem. You might want to read some of the links I posted about Evanglicals and how well Rudy is doing in the south and flyover country.
He's the #1 clear favorite among Reupblicans, even Republicans who are well aware of his views.
:-)
One would think the mods would be begging for a change back to the "old" policy!
You know, the Dems have to be quite pleased with themselves. All they have to do is run Hitlery, and the GOP goes screaming into the hands of Liberalism to pick a candidate.
Anyone who thinks Rudy isn't a "conservative" hasn't paid attention at all to anything he's done or said.
He does have some views that some "hard line" conservatives may not agree with, but if you think Rudy is a "loony leftist" in terms of his world view or policy, you definately weren't paying attention to what he did to clean up NYC after decades of leftist socialist destuction.
Damn, I used to think you had a clue Peach. All of the "links", by and large are just a rehash of AP articles citing poles of liberal pole takers like Zogby. You might want to read some of the "links" about that.
I agree. When I hear that he's a liberal I just realize how out of touch people are with his policies.
He's not a social conservative, but in every other aspect, he's as staunch a conservative as we've had.
Posted by Peach to RabidBartender
On News/Activism 02/28/2007 1:13:53 PM EST · 38 of 145
Oh, they know his positions, and they don't care.
Indeed, in one recent poll, majorities of Republicans who were informed of Giuliani’s views on social issues said that they were either minor issues or no issues at all; only 16% said that they wouldn't vote for him after being informed of these views.
In the online GOP Bloggers poll, Giuliani is consistently one of the few candidates to end up with a net positive acceptability rating. These internet denizens are well-informed, and overwhelmingly self-describe as conservative (78% self-describe as 7 or higher on a 10-scale of conservatism). If these people can support Rudy, anyone can.
Human Events, Is Giuliani the Republican Peyton Manning,
2/6/07
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1780060/posts
White evangelical Protestants now clearly favor Rudy Giuliani over Sen. John McCain, "despite his support of abortion rights and gay rights, two issues of great importance to religious conservatives."
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1792708/posts
Posted by Peach to RabidBartender
On News/Activism 02/28/2007 1:13:53 PM EST · 38 of 145
Oh, they know his positions, and they don't care.
Indeed, in one recent poll, majorities of Republicans who were informed of Giuliani’s views on social issues said that they were either minor issues or no issues at all; only 16% said that they wouldn't vote for him after being informed of these views.
In the online GOP Bloggers poll, Giuliani is consistently one of the few candidates to end up with a net positive acceptability rating. These internet denizens are well-informed, and overwhelmingly self-describe as conservative (78% self-describe as 7 or higher on a 10-scale of conservatism). If these people can support Rudy, anyone can.
Human Events, Is Giuliani the Republican Peyton Manning,
2/6/07
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1780060/posts
White evangelical Protestants now clearly favor Rudy Giuliani over Sen. John McCain, "despite his support of abortion rights and gay rights, two issues of great importance to religious conservatives."
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1792708/posts
Have you seen all the polls posted in the last few weeks? All the news organizations, every one of them including FNC, show that Rudy is the frontrunner among Republicans.
Now, if you want to talk about biased polls and how they are often skewed, sure -- there's no doubt. But if you start doubting every single poll saying the same thing, then I think you're entering into conspiracy land.
How do you see Front Page and Steven Malanga as MSM?
All the things you mention are true about Rudy, he is a strong anti-gun advocate, supports abortion and loves illegal aliens. I didn't "add" anything. I merely stated fact. His policies in NYC were to NOT report illegals to the INS, in fact he threatend to fire any city employee that did so. He also sued the government over the feds rights to force him to report illegals. A short time after that 9/11 was carried out, in large part by illegals who overstayed their visas. Yes, his policies helped set up 9/11.
If you can cite specific examples of this, then do so -- and then we can discuss it right here.
. . . and Rudy extended what was already in place by law under the previous Mayor. Or it might have even been the mayor before that.
I've debunked that point here on FreeRepublic a number of times. While this is technically true, there is no way to use this argument to justify his actions -- because neither of his predecessors (the policy in question was first implemented during the Koch administration) was in violation of the Illegal Immigrant Responsibility and Reform Act of 1996.
You aren't trying to say that the feds are enforcing the illegal immigration policies, are you?
They've been notified of clear cases of illegals at various companies and largely ignore the complaints is just one example I can think of.
If you were to call up the IRS tomorrow and tell them that your next-door neighbor filed a fraudulent tax return last year, I'm pretty sure the IRS isn't going to spring into action and show up on his doorstop just because you told them so.
LOL!
I haven't posted much but have been reading--the hatred and vitriol is beginning to rival the Terri threads. And that's sad.
I find your links about Rudy's support among evangelicals to be very interesting. And with the Northeast....Rudy could completely change the typical electoral map.
That's a good point about the map. It's going to be interesting. Right now, I'm just enjoying the heck out of his front-runner status and the resulting hysteria from a certain segment on FR.
...and not only the wolves, but the Sheppard find the sheep tasty...
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