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"Find someone who served in the NYPD with Kerik and ask what he thinks about the guy . . . you'll likely have him laughing his @ss off."

I can tell you're not from New York. I lived and worked in NYC in State government for 6 out the 8 years Rudy served. As another person stated in another thread, thank god for Rudy and the NYPD. Because of them 1000's of people lived to go home each day to be with their families. The differences between the Dinkin's and Giuliani's years in terms of just homicides are just staggering.

Taking your advice, I'd have to go talk to Sharpton, Rangel, Barrons, Mark Green, Arafat (if he was alive), The wealthy millionaire Sheik, the elephant-dung Madonna artist at the Brooklyn Museum, the porn shop owners, pimps and kookers, on 42nd Street, 8th Avenue and Times Square, the drug dealers, the squeegy men, and oh yes, Hillary (though she was not a resident back then). I'll get on it right away. I could also add that....remember Marc Rich, the con-artist who purchased a pardon from Clinton just before leaving office ? Well how do you think he became a fugative? He was indicted by Giuliani while serving as US Attorney. Food for thought.

You anti-Rudy types are good at throwing mud and making accusations, but not very good at backing it up with RELEVANT facts. You want others to go out to prove or disprove it. New-flash.....post-Police Commissioner Kirik humiliated himself, his family, Rudy, and the President. It was all over the media in 2004. It's over and done with unless you side with Hillary and the DNC.

You anti-Rudy types are good at throwing mud and making accusations, but not very good at backing it up with RELEVANT facts.

I guess the definition of RELEVANT facts are only those that make Rudy look good. All the others are irrelevant, even though they vastly outweigh the "relevant" ones.

Actually, I've lived in this metro area for most of my life and worked in New York City for most of the last 15 years.

Bernard Kerik was Rudy Giuliani's chauffer and bodyguard while people like Bill Bratton, Jack Maple and John Timoney (and later Howard Safir) were the ones leading the NYPD's vaunted crime-fighting initiatives during Giuliani's first term in office.

Kerik, in fact, was named police commissioner in 2000 even though he didn't even have sufficient qualifications at the time to hold any rank in the NYPD higher than captain (this is why there was a lot of resentment of him among rank-and-file officers in the NYPD who knew damn well that he was nothing more than a well-connected hack).

So -- no, I'm still not impressed with him.