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To: TonyRo76

Alas, we have to tolerate a lot of these things whether we want to or not. I'd say 1) work to elect people who share your views to congress, state legislatures and other lower level offices. The momentum for change on these issues comes from the bottom up -- and some of these politicaians will turn out to have star quality. In the future you won't have such a hard time finding nationally known politicos who share your views.

2) I hate to sound like Bill O'Reilly, but a lot of work has to be done through the culture. Gramsci Marxists, communists and secular social scientists with agendas devote whole careers to propagandizing the public. It's hard to fight this because people who believe in traditional values, by definition, aren't movement cadres. Still, you have to pick your issues and make your voice heard.

By the way, the typical NY Dem is stunned to learn that Rudy is pro-choice and pro gay marriage. I don't recall him ever making a statement on these issues. I'm not saying that he didn't talk about them as mayor, but he was out there pushing for something every day and I never heard him discuss these things. We knew him as the enemy of wild-eyed liberal judges.

As for immigration, the typical illegal immigrant in NYC didn't come across the Mexican border. He came on a visitor's visa and never left. Since the immigration service and the state department didn't care enough to even keep track of who went home and who stayed, it was hard to expect the police to take responsibility for rounding up a lot of people who were mostly working hard and minding their own business. The whole border issue is something many of us only started thinking about quite recently. In fact, NYC is much less visibly hispanic than it was 30 years ago.


339 posted on 02/23/2007 11:18:03 AM PST by joylyn
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To: joylyn

Quit making sense!! You are spoiling the thread! :)


356 posted on 02/23/2007 12:03:42 PM PST by jonathanmo
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To: joylyn
"As for immigration, the typical illegal immigrant in NYC didn't come across the Mexican border."


We're not talking about NY anymore....We're talking about a philosophy that will effect the entire country. I'm from Texas and believe me, We are more visibly Hispanic than ever.
375 posted on 02/23/2007 12:53:47 PM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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To: joylyn
In fact, NYC is much less visibly hispanic than it was 30 years ago.

Right -- and it's much more Islamic, too. Does that give you any comfort?

497 posted on 02/23/2007 5:03:00 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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