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To: Wolfstar
You're right.

I answered in haste.

I do not consider Evolution as a valid point of view.

However, it has taken on many of the trappings of a fanatical religion. It is a materialist, anti-God religion. The "Theistic Evolutionists" are its Dhimmies.

Its most zealous adherents behave just like the Left. When they are caught in a false prediction, or if they are called to task on some of their more illogical, even irrational, assumptions and practices, they respond with schoolyard name calling, reductio ad absurdum, and character assassination. Just like the Left.

My personal observation is that a large part of the Evolutionist community, at least a large part of the VISIBLE Evolutionist communty, is Bolshevik in nature and tact. Unbelievers, heretics and converts to the other side are openly persecuted, censured, and CENSORED.

Neither Evolutionism, nor Environmentalism, nor Communism provide a milieu conducive to the fair exchange of ideas that exist outside predetermined sets of beliefs pertinent to their respective ideologies.

Rather than entertain the idea that the other side has any valid points to consider and address, the most common response of the Evolutionist-Environmentalist-Leftist zealot is to deny that their opponents have any valid points to consider. Instead, they dismiss their opponents as brainless morons, shouting them down with silly slogans, schoolyard name-calling, silly pictures, and reductio ad absurdum argument.

Here is some reductio ad absurdum for you. By the way, I have had evolutionists say to me that these points are pretty much congruent to their worldview.

  1. Everything came out of Nothing from Nowhere for no Reason.
  2. Life is a curious side-effect of an unknowing, uncaring Cosmos.
  3. When we die we are just so much compost.
  4. The best you can hope for is a life of self-gratification and a painless extinction.

Nice.

In another day and age, we would call it Nihilism and Hedonism.

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123 posted on 02/23/2007 8:19:50 PM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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To: Westbrook
"Evolutionists" are generally doing science, which requires a particular method.

You appear to be doing apologetics (defense of religion). That requires a different method, and it is certainly not the same as the scientific method.

If you would care to rephrase your post using neutral, rather than anti-evolutionary-loaded terms, and to stick to scientific arguments, I would be happy to address any points you might have.

127 posted on 02/23/2007 8:27:23 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Westbrook
Westbrook, you make the following complaint about "evolutionists:"

"Rather than entertain the idea that the other side has any valid points to consider and address, the most common response of the Evolutionist-Environmentalist-Leftist zealot is to deny that their opponents have any valid points to consider. Instead, they dismiss their opponents as brainless morons, shouting them down with silly slogans, schoolyard name-calling..."

But in the same post you also say the following:

I do not consider Evolution as a valid point of view.

My personal observation is that a large part of the Evolutionist community, at least a large part of the VISIBLE Evolutionist communty, is Bolshevik in nature and tact.

Neither Evolutionism, nor Environmentalism, nor Communism provide a milieu conducive to the fair exchange of ideas that exist outside predetermined sets of beliefs pertinent to their respective ideologies.

I think you practice a fine example of the very intolerance and close-mindednes you complain about in others.

165 posted on 02/24/2007 8:47:27 AM PST by Wolfstar ("A nation that hates its Horatios is already in grave danger of losing its soul." Dr. Jack Wheeler)
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