Posted on 02/22/2007 8:15:00 AM PST by Arec Barrwin
Sword seized after man mistakes porn for rape
OCONOMOWOC, Wisconsin (AP) -- A man says he broke into an apartment with a cavalry sword because he thought he heard a woman being raped, but the sound actually was from a pornographic movie his upstairs neighbor was watching.
"Now I feel stupid," said James Van Iveren, who has been charged in the case. "This really is nothing, nothing but a mistake."
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Was it rape porn?
Wrong guy was arrested.
Cool - charge of the light brigade!
His charge should be trumpeted kinda like the "The 600".
Guess that will cure men of their instinct to come to the aid of a screaming woman. Great work, prosecutors. He ought to be hailed as a hero--impulsive maybe, but a hero nevertheless.
There was a story on this yesterday and people here were trying to make him out as a hero and the guy in the apartment a villain because he was watching a porn DVD.
A talk show host had a good point about it - what if instead of a DVD, the guy was in the act with a girlfriend or wife? Or if he fell asleep watching "The hunt for red october" on cinemax and later then cinemax turned into skinamax and the guy heard that?
And as final discouragement for hero worship, I'd advise checking out the swordsman's name on the wisconsin circuit court access program first to see his other run ins with the law.
How kind of him! Since it was a mistake, he should apologize to the neighbor and pay for the damage (if any) ... and keep his sword ready!
See my post. The guy is no hero.
Why? He is lucky he did not get ventilated. If it had been my place, He would have left in the horizontal position.
All in all, this guy should pay for the front door he busted down, but shouldn't go to jail. But maybe he should get to know his neighbor better... Oh yeah, that's Jim, watching violent porn again!
There are few men who will come to the aid of a woman in need. This guy tried. He is a gentleman. Eccentric, yes. But the kind this country needs.
The police are treating this man as a criminal, when he was just trying to do the right thing. It's a mistake, not a crime.
Well we can't very well give the message that people are allowed to defend themselves. We need to make it clear that people need government. What kind of country do you think this is?
Given the information in the story was all I had to go on, it seemed a courageous act. Really, how often are women told to shout "fire" instead of help because it will get someone to act?
I call BS here. He broke into another mans apt and threatened him with a sword over a DVD.
The guy you are praising had previously been charged with impersonating a peace officer and bail jumping. He's no hero.
It also wasn't "rape porn".
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=569088
Swordsman's claim disputed
Prosecutor says sounds on neighbor's DVD were consensual sex, not rape
By DAVID DOEGE and AMY RINARD
ddoege@journalsentinel.com
Posted: Feb. 21, 2007
Waukesha - The pornographic DVD that was being played in an Oconomowoc apartment doesn't square with a man's claim that he thought he heard a rape in progress before storming into the residence with a sword, a prosecutor said Wednesday.
"Does hearing the sounds of consensual sex under these kinds of circumstances indicate that a crime may have been occurring? Obviously, the Oconomowoc police thought not," Waukesha County Assistant District Attorney Kevin Osborne said.
As for kicking in the door while armed with a sword, Osborne said, "Was that a reasonable response? It's reported that he pounded on the door and kicked it in before the man had a chance to open it. That doesn't appear to have been a reasonable reaction to me."
Osborne said the decision to file the charges against James W. Van Iveren over the Feb. 11 incident primarily boiled down to his reported beliefs and actions being unreasonable.
"If he disagrees, we can take it to trial," Osborne said. "That's why we have trials."
Van Iveren's neighbor, Bret Stieghorst, said Wednesday that he believed Van Iveren was doing what he thought was the right thing in kicking in the door to his apartment and didn't care about the charges that were filed, except damage to property.
"He did kick in my door, so he should get charged with that," said Stieghorst, 33, who works full time and is a student at Waukesha County Technical College. "But he really didn't do anything except what he thought was right. I don't know what I would have done in that situation."
But if Van Iveren was attempting to rescue what he thought was a woman in danger he was "obnoxiously late," said Stieghorst, who said he watched the movie between 1 and 2:30 a.m., but Van Iveren did not burst into his apartment until about 11:30 a.m.
When he told Van Iveren that he was going to call the police, Van Iveren ran out the door of the apartment and down the stairs, and Stieghorst said he followed him. It was only when they got to the bottom of the stairs, and Van Iveren ducked into the door of another apartment, that he realized Van Iveren was his neighbor, he said.
Stieghorst, who said he has lived in his small downtown apartment for five years, said he was watching an adult DVD in Spanish called "Casa de Culo." He said the movie has no screaming that would suggest to someone a woman was in danger.
"It's all in Spanish, and I don't understand a word of it," he said. "I only bought it for the hot chicks."
Van Iveren, 39, of Oconomowoc, was charged by Osborne last week with one count each of criminal trespass while using a dangerous weapon, criminal damage to property while using a dangerous weapon and disorderly conduct while using a dangerous weapon.
Van Iveren told a reporter Tuesday that he distinctly heard a woman screaming while he was listening to music in his first floor apartment on the morning of Feb. 11. When the screams persisted over an extended period, he concluded that a rape was taking place in the apartment above his, so he decided to intervene, according to Van Iveren.
Van Iveren said he grabbed an heirloom sword, raced up a staircase to the apartment above him and kicked in the door, expecting to find a woman being raped. He said he left after the neighbor showed him that he was alone in the apartment.
Osborne said Wednesday that the case was unusual.
"I guess I'd call it a unique set of circumstances," he said.
Osborne said, though, that it would be a mistake to let Van Iveren off the hook merely because he says he was mistaken.
"You can't just make up an excuse for your behavior and expect to avoid consequences," he said.
Stieghorst said the incident will not change his movie-viewing habits.
"No, way; I'm a man and I'm a normal person," he said. "But I think I will get some good headphones, maybe some wireless ones."
He is a criminal. He broke into someone elses apt with a weapon.
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