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Teen 'sport killings' of homeless on the rise
CNN ^ | 2/20/07 | Ashley Fantz

Posted on 02/20/2007 12:11:56 PM PST by DogBarkTree

MILWAUKEE, Wisconsin (CNN) -- All Nathan Moore says he wanted to do was smoke pot and get drunk with his friends. Killing Rex Baum was never part of the plan that day in 2004. "It all started off as a game," Moore said. The 15-year-old and his friends were taunting the homeless man -- throwing sticks and leaves -- after having a couple of beers with him. No big deal, Moore says, but he's sorry for what came next.

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Some would blame Bush but I want to know about their parents. Obviously something was left in raising these vermin.
1 posted on 02/20/2007 12:11:57 PM PST by DogBarkTree
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To: DogBarkTree

That's a bit sick, isn't it.


2 posted on 02/20/2007 12:12:59 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: DogBarkTree
The worst part of this is these underage killers will never pay the proper price for their actions.

Society would be way better off if these teenagers were killed before they come back to kill more people.

3 posted on 02/20/2007 12:16:32 PM PST by pnh102
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To: DogBarkTree
There have been a couple of these murders in Spokane in the last few years. Absolutly evil, but who to blaim except the kids themselves? Sometimes bad apples fall from good trees...


4 posted on 02/20/2007 12:16:41 PM PST by BullDog108 ("Conservatives believe in God; Liberals think they ARE God " -- Ann Coulter)
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To: DogBarkTree

Read the entire story. It's bizarre:

Ihrcke smeared his own feces on Baum's face before cutting him with a knife "to see if he was alive," Moore said.


5 posted on 02/20/2007 12:16:53 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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Kids can't tell right from wrong, maybe when they are five. These "kids" deserve to hang.


6 posted on 02/20/2007 12:26:56 PM PST by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: DogBarkTree
It's a comment on his parenting that he was hanging around drinking and smoking dope with a bum at the age of 15.

I'll also point out that bums can say and do some pretty dark stuff that can set people off.

I remember once in highschool waiting to meet a friend of mine outside a fastfood restaurant 2 doors down from a liquor store.

A bum asked me if I was looking for someone with ID to buy me a beer.

I said no.

He then started telling me how he doesn't do that kind of thing.

I said great, good for you.

Then he said he would get beer for me if I would let him perform a certain act on me.

At that point I went into the fastfood place and stood near the counter until he went away.

However, if I had had a baseball bat in my hand when he said what he said, things might have turned out differently.

In the murder case in this article it looks pretty bad for the killers. What they did sounds really horrible.

But bums are not saints.

7 posted on 02/20/2007 12:27:24 PM PST by wideawake
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Sometimes bad apples fall from good trees...

The parents are to blame as well for raising a child that would beat and kick a defenseless human being.

8 posted on 02/20/2007 12:28:08 PM PST by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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There have been a couple of these murders in Spokane in the last few years. Absolutly evil, but who to blaim except the kids themselves? Sometimes bad apples fall from good trees...

Prime example: Josh Heytvelt.

Go Zags!

9 posted on 02/20/2007 12:28:40 PM PST by highimpact (Abortion is a voluntary human sacrifice at the altar of convenience.)
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To: DogBarkTree

The democrat volunteers give the homeless smokes to vote in Milwaukee. Here I thought that was the place to be for winos.


10 posted on 02/20/2007 12:29:37 PM PST by Rakkasan1 ((Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!))
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To: highimpact
Josh Heytvelt.

Ouch! LOL!

GO ZAGS!


11 posted on 02/20/2007 12:29:59 PM PST by BullDog108 ("Conservatives believe in God; Liberals think they ARE God " -- Ann Coulter)
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To: DogBarkTree

This is disgusting; the [house]less deserve as much respect (in and of their being humans) as every other human creature.


12 posted on 02/20/2007 12:30:26 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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This is absolutely senseless and shocking. These kids graduate from torturing animals to shooting homeless folks with paint ball guns to now "violent video game" murders.

These punks should be forced to live homeless and in rags through a Milwaukee winter and then beaten to death by three homeless men (chosen at random) with bats and golf clubs.

Set a few hard punishments for this type of criminal activity and it WILL cease.


13 posted on 02/20/2007 12:31:32 PM PST by boss man
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Every generation we are invaded by savages in the guise of young males, and it is the adults job to civilize them. As of late we seem to have more adults that don't want to bother.


14 posted on 02/20/2007 12:32:52 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: BullDog108

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/cover/2006/cover0224.html

"...Being homeless threatens not only your property but your person, too. There is a certain cadre—mostly young males—who simply cannot abide leaving unmolested those who seem vulnerable. If the little cherubs in Burke had been a bit older, they might have chosen to tip the 6-by-9-foot trailer over onto its door, with me trapped inside. Then they might’ve decided to see what would happen if they were to douse the trailer with gasoline and ignite it. And these would be well-loved kids from good families..."


15 posted on 02/20/2007 12:33:00 PM PST by walford (http://the-big-pic.org)
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This is like "Lord of the Flies". Young people without guidance will end up doing things like this. The Homeless have few friends and protectors. Most will hold the view that
they are to blame for their predicament, particularly male drunks and druggies. They are a predictable target.


16 posted on 02/20/2007 12:35:27 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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As of late we seem to have more adults that don't want to bother.

A sad state of affairs that always seem to have tragic endings.

17 posted on 02/20/2007 12:36:57 PM PST by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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It was a mistake, he said, a sudden primal surge that made him and his friends Luis Oyola, 16, and 17-year-old Andrew Ihrcke begin punching and kicking Baum.

Well, which is it - a mistake or a sudden primal urge? A mistake would be, for instance, accidentally getting your arm stuck in some device that forces you to repeatedly punch a homeless guy until he's dead. That's a mistake, and I don't think most juries would convict based on that. A sudden primal urge to beat some stranger to death for no reason is something which merits a life sentence in prison, however.
18 posted on 02/20/2007 12:37:41 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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It seems as if there is a lack of compassion among a lot of the young people today. Maybe it's always been there, but we haven't paid as much attention. It's scary, though. Good reason to carry concealed or unconcealed, IMO.

Carolyn

19 posted on 02/20/2007 12:40:59 PM PST by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: frogjerk
Sometimes bad apples fall from good trees... The parents are to blame as well for raising a child that would beat and kick a defenseless human being.

******************************************************** Laura Simpson didn't. Her son, Justin Brumfield, is serving an 11-year prison stretch in California.

In August 2005, Brumfield and William Orantes, both 19, beat 56-year-old Ernest Adams with bats. Adams emerged from a coma three weeks later with dents in his skull, permanent scars and no vision in one eye, the Los Angeles Times reported. Orantes is serving a three-year sentence.

Simpson, a sixth-grade teacher, says she is still tormented by her son's actions and wonders if her son's irritability was more than typical teenage moodiness.

She has other questions: Was her son, a natural follower, just succumbing to peer pressure? Was he that into "Bumfights"? Did he see the fear in Adams' eyes when he raised the bat to strike him?

In a sad irony, she had adopted him; his mother was a homeless drug addict, a revelation he had learned not long before the beating and which his attorney used to explain his rage.

As I've always believed - Nature trumps Nurture. This kid had "bad" blood. Bad blood will tell.

You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

20 posted on 02/20/2007 12:42:12 PM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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