Posted on 02/14/2007 7:14:04 AM PST by meg88
Giuliani is Best GOP Hope in Florida February 12, 2007
(Angus Reid Global Monitor) - Republican Rudy Giuliani holds an early lead in the Sunshine State, according to a poll by the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.
47 per cent of respondents in Florida would vote for the former New York City mayor in the 2008 United States presidential election, while 44 per cent would support Democratic New York senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.
In other match-ups, Rodham Clinton leads Arizona senator John McCain by four points, and holds an 18-point advantage over former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney. McCain leads former North Carolina senator John Edwards by one point, and Illinois senator Barack Obama by two points.
In 2004, Republican George W. Bush carried Florida’s 27 electoral votes, with 52 per cent of all cast ballots. In 2000, weeks of recounts and court injunctions concluded in a 537-vote victory for Bush over Democrat Al Gore. Since 1972, the only Democrats to win the Sunshine State in a presidential election are Jimmy Carter in 1976 and Bill Clinton in 1996.
Bush is ineligible for a third term in office. The next United States presidential election is scheduled for November 2008.
Polling Data
If the 2008 election for President were being held today, and the candidates were (the Democrat) and (the Republican), for whom would you vote?
Rudy Giuliani (R) 47% - 44% Hillary Rodham Clinton (R) John McCain (R) 43% - 47% Hillary Rodham Clinton (R) Mitt Romney (R) 34% - 52% Hillary Rodham Clinton (R) John McCain (R) 43% - 42% John Edwards (R) John McCain (R) 42% - 40% Barack Obama (R)
This is a response to a blog about Fred Thompson as a 2008 presidential candidate.
"I'm a lifelong liberal democrat and I would heartily vote for Fred Thompson. He has the intelligence, the wit, the presence, the knowledge and the background to be President and he doesn't seem to have any of the negatives of either Guilliani (who I adore) or McCain. The GOP should draft him anyway they can."
I did not change anything from this little tidbit. Notice that they are a lifelong liberal Democrat and ADORE Guilliani. I wonder why?
P.S. Fred Thompson could save the GOP in 2008! I think everybody should pray that Fred Thompson becomes a Republican Candidate for the POTUS in 2008!
I, as a conservative, am not happy with the following, though:
Failure to enforce our laws (ex: immigration, Sandy Berger, et al)
CFR
Education Bill
Farm Bill
Totalization Agreement
Out of control spending
Medicare Drug Benefit
Selective payments for victims of terror
and more...
The problem isn't that I want a share of the pie for my pet project, I want our platform championed and our nation's laws enforced!
Actually you won't be taking votes from Rudy Guiliani--you'll be giving them to Hillary.
Some people never learn.
True enough, but it will be a whole lot harder without a Bush on the ticket.
I forwarded it to my investment advisor from Nigeria.
Got better data?
I'm not saying that these polls Mean He Will Win. He might lose. Lots of things can happen. What I am saying is that your and others' predictions that he would be a "train wreck" for the party, in light of these polls, have no factual basis whatsoever.
Meanwhile, over the last 30 years, the GOP has won when it runs center right, and lost when it drifted leftward. THAT is demonstrable history.
Propose a feasible center-right candidate and I'll be listening. You are not doing so. You are predicting doom and gloom if Rudy is nominated. Again: that's your right, but you have no factual basis for doing so.
Once again, Dean was leading Kerry 40-12 in NH the month before the primary. Just goes to show how meaningless polls are right now.
What I am saying is that your and others' predictions that he would be a "train wreck" for the party, in light of these polls, have no factual basis whatsoever.
No factual basis? When the GOP runs center-right, it wins (1980, 1994, 2000).
When it drifts leftward, it loses (1992, 2006).
That is FACTUAL history. And far more relevant than name-recognition polls 11 months before the first votes are cast in Iowa.
Propose a feasible center-right candidate and I'll be listening.
It doesn't matter what I propose. It matters what a candidate DOES over the next year. You have NO IDEA what the slate will look like by then. Neither do I.
When it comes to foreign policy, very close to it, yes.
This is rational. The job duties of a President are such that his statements, deicisions and actions have a far larger effect on foreign policy than on, e.g., whether/how many abortions take place.
Not all single issues are created equal. When deciding whom to make dog catcher, it makes far more sense to use the single issue of "how good would he be at catching dogs?" than it would to use the single issue of "what's his position on abortion?".
Again, I'm not sure whether you are trying to somehow be funny or don't realize this, but "defective" is simply the wrong word. You can't take words I use and replace them with other, non-synonymous, words and expect to be taken seriously. Sorry.
So please, tell me Rudy's foreign policy experience. Explain to me why he pushed a corrupt crony for the most important anti-terror job in the country. Ask why he fought federal court rulings against NYC's sanctuary city policy. And why he took guns away from law-abiding NYC permit holders.
That is NOT the mark of a man that is serious about national security. Just promoting himself.
Hey TitansAFC,
This is probably a pipe dream but I found a website with a small following. It was interesting to read some of the posts.
http://draftfredthompson.com/
A late entering conservative might just be the ticket to success!
I hope Giuliani is NOT the nominee, but I disagree that he'd lose in a landslide, I actually think he'd win, and here's why:
The Italian-American vote. Yes, it matters. As someone of Italian descent myself, I realize how much that connection matters. Many members of my family both conservative Republican and liberal Democrat, have said they'd vote for Rudy in a heartbeat, primarily because "we need an Italian in there." I'm not the only Freeper to suggest this, and it has been mentioned before. I'd go as far as to say that it's the Italian vote that won him the NYC mayoral race. That may also have a lot to do with his endorsement of Mario Cuomo over Pataki. Not sure if that's necessarily a good thing, but it's a fact.
Italian-Americans make up a significant portion of NY and NJ and enough of PA, Ohio, and Michigan that all those states could easily be in his column. NY would actually be the MOST difficult to win, because they love Hillary up there and already lean Democrat.
He'd do less well in the South, but would still win, just not by Bush-like margins in states like GA and the Carolinas. Florida will be a toss-up as it was in '00 and '04 regardless of the candidate.
Disclaimer: I am NOT a Giuliani cheerleader. Just making a political analysis of such a race.
That is an interesting piece of historical trivia but it is not actually a piece of data that supports the notion that if Giuliani is nominated, it will be a "train wreck" for the party. You might as well be quoting me Al Kaline's 1953 batting average.
No factual basis? When the GOP runs center-right, it wins (1980, 1994, 2000). When it drifts leftward, it loses (1992, 2006).
I guess I was looking for some data that actually, you know, took into account the present situation, the current list of proposed candidates, etc. You know, the stuff that's actually relevant to 2008, rather than a simple citation of a historical pattern you have supposedly identified.
I love how you twist the two debates we are having. That shows how irrelevant polls are right now.
I guess I was looking for some data that actually, you know, took into account the present situation, the current list of proposed candidates, etc
I have shown that polls at this point are worthless. And you now claim that history has no bearing? Stunning.
Um, you're missing the context of that conversation: "redgolum" was trying to make a point, by claiming that if Giuliani came out against WoT then people like me would either still support him (thus illustrating how ridiculous we are) or would not support him (thus forcing us to admit we are "single-issue voters").
I simply admitted to him that if Giuliani were somehow anti-war, I would indeed not support him; in other words, for him to be out-and-out "anti-war" would indeed be a deal-breaker for me. (And that there's nothing wrong with that.) In the course of this, I never claimed that I know Giuliani to be some kind of a huge foreign-policy expert.
In general, just so you know, I am not arguing that Giuliani is great, in this thread. Support whomever you want in the primary, for crying out loud - I don't really care. I am just pointing out that the hatred some seem to have for him is unwarranted, and the threats to defect/split the party if he's nominated, are stupid and self-defeating.
Nope. I didn't say he SHOULD...just that he WOULD.
I also don't appreciate being called a "liberal ethnic." I'm not a liberal.
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