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Utah gunman, 18, was Muslim from Bosnia
WorldNetDaily ^ | 2/13/07 | WorldNetDaily

Posted on 02/13/2007 4:34:26 PM PST by wagglebee

The 18-year-old gunman who killed five people in a crowded Utah shopping mall was a Bosnian Muslim refugee who was prepared to kill many more, say investigators.

An off-duty police officer having an early Valentine's Day dinner with his wife was credited today with cornering Sulejmen Talovic, exchanging fire with him until other officers arrived to shoot and kill the gunman.

The trench-coated teenager wanted to "to kill a large number of people" and probably would have killed many more if not for the off-duty officer, Police Chief Chris Burbank said.

A friend said Talovic was from the war-torn country of Bosnia and that the trauma he experienced while growing may have led to him snapping for some reason.

Ken Hammond, an off-duty officer from Ogden, north of Salt Lake City, jumped up from his seat at a restaurant after hearing gunfire and cornered the gunman, exchanging fire with him until other officers arrived, Burbank said.

"There is no question that his quick actions saved the lives of numerous other people," the police chief said.

Police said it was not immediately clear who fired the shot that killed Talovic.

Talovic had a backpack full of ammunition, a shotgun and a .38-caliber pistol, police said. Investigators knew little about Talovic, except than he lived in Salt Lake City with his mother, the chief said. He was enrolled in numerous city schools before withdrawing in 2004, the school district said. Initially, police refused to release his name or any information about his background.

Talovic drove to the Trolley Square shopping center – a century-old former trolley barn with winding hallways, brick floors and wrought-iron balconies, and immediately killed two people, followed by a third victim as he came through a door, Burbank said. Five other people were then shot in a gift shop, he said.

Four people who were wounded remained hospitalized today, two in critical condition, two in serious.

Outside the mall, candles and flowers were left as memorials to the victims.

Hammond's boss, Ogden Police Chief Jon Greiner, said the state Senate wants to honor him.

"Thank goodness he was there," said Greiner, who is also a state senator. "You don't want to ever say it's good we were there and killed somebody, but it's probably good someone was there."

Accountant Jeff Barlow was on a date at a restaurant when he looked outside and saw the gunman firing from the hip.

"I thought it was some kind of joke – some kind of movie or stunt," Barlow said. "I didn't believe it was happening. And then I saw a man go down in a courtyard. I realized this was serious. These are real bullets flying around."

David Dean, who owns a greeting-card store at the mall, said three or four people died inside his store, which was packed with Valentine's Day shoppers.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
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To: JimSEA
It's premature to classify this as another act of Muslim terrorism before we know more about the killer. He may have been of Muslim ancestry, as his first name indicates, but a lot of Bosnian Muslims are Muslims in name only--it's possible that the religion meant nothing to him and that it was more of a Columbine-type event. There should be people who knew him who can shed light on his motives--if the media doesn't shut down the story.

It's better if his actions had nothing to do with Islam, or else the off-duty policemen who killed him might be accused of a hate crime.

61 posted on 02/13/2007 6:01:03 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: wagglebee
A friend said Talovic was from the war-torn country of Bosnia and that the trauma he experienced while growing may have led to him snapping for some reason.

Let's all pity the poor little terrorist!

62 posted on 02/13/2007 6:02:03 PM PST by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: pgkdan

bump


63 posted on 02/13/2007 6:06:37 PM PST by Porterville (Huh? You're stupid.... yeah, I knew that.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Obviously, I agree with you completely. I get tired of these tales only partially told.


64 posted on 02/13/2007 6:10:30 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: wagglebee
The 18-year-old gunman who killed five people in a crowded Utah shopping mall was a Bosnian Muslim refugee who was prepared to kill many more, say investigators.

Who'da thunkit?

65 posted on 02/13/2007 6:18:55 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Duncan Hunter: Hope of America)
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To: Abcdefg

It was lead or second lead on every network I saw -- it was too late for last night's news.


66 posted on 02/13/2007 6:30:51 PM PST by BohDaThone
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To: BohDaThone

Look for it on Drudge (not MSM, but a reflection of). My local online papers (Startle Gram) only had the lame a$$ AP version of events and it was not easy to find.


67 posted on 02/13/2007 6:36:58 PM PST by Abcdefg
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To: wagglebee


"I guess I'm not surprised that there is no mention of him being a Muslim in the mainstream news."

EXACTLY!

Not one word in the LSM that the murderer was a muslim!


68 posted on 02/13/2007 6:37:45 PM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: JimSEA

No one ever cared how many or few other KKK members murderous white supremacists hung around with. A violent "lone nut" is still a violent threat.


69 posted on 02/13/2007 6:38:08 PM PST by weegee (No third term. Hillary Clinton's 2008 election run presents a Constitutional Crisis.)
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To: wagglebee

How soon before CAIR issues a statement complaining about "backlash"

5...4...3...2...1...


70 posted on 02/13/2007 6:39:45 PM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: AmishDude
Considering the press suppressed such news in the Tampa Teen kamikaze case and the DC sniper duo case, and here...

it is getting to be hard to point to a case where it wasn't suppressed awhile.
71 posted on 02/13/2007 6:39:48 PM PST by weegee (No third term. Hillary Clinton's 2008 election run presents a Constitutional Crisis.)
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To: timsbella
They'll sweep it away the same as they did with the Seattle killings at the JCC.

And the El Al shootings at LAX.

72 posted on 02/13/2007 6:41:20 PM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: wagglebee

So I guess this blows the Leftist theory out of the water that if we just leave them alone, they'll love us.

Clinton did everything he could to appease the Muslims in the Balkans. This is probably a pretty good sign of what we can expect if we cut-and-run from Iraq and "leave the Islamic Imperialists alone."


73 posted on 02/13/2007 6:42:42 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: weegee
A violent "lone nut" is still a violent threat.

Of course, but wouldn't you like to know if, instead of a "lone nut", you have a walnut tree?

74 posted on 02/13/2007 6:42:58 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: Porterville

The media doesn't keep a count of how many Americans have died in domestic terrorist attacks.

Do we start with the 1993 WTC bombing? The CIA headquarters sniper? The RFK assassination?

This number needs to be kept in running tally.


75 posted on 02/13/2007 6:45:42 PM PST by weegee (No third term. Hillary Clinton's 2008 election run presents a Constitutional Crisis.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Bubba "left them alone" after the WTC bombing and we were rewarded with the embassy and USS Cole bombings.

Actually the Bush strategy HAS cut down on major terrorist attacks.


76 posted on 02/13/2007 6:47:27 PM PST by weegee (No third term. Hillary Clinton's 2008 election run presents a Constitutional Crisis.)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; xzins

Bump.


77 posted on 02/13/2007 6:49:25 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

bump


79 posted on 02/13/2007 6:52:35 PM PST by Porterville (Huh? You're stupid.... yeah, I knew that.)
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To: wagglebee
"You don't want to ever say it's good we were there and killed somebody,

Yes we do.

80 posted on 02/13/2007 6:53:04 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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