Posted on 02/11/2007 2:52:28 PM PST by don-o
PRINCETON, NJ -- As former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani inches closer to a formal declaration of his candidacy for the 2008 Republican nomination for president, the challenge he faces among Republicans with his support of abortion rights and same-sex civil unions is clear in a recent USA Today/Gallup Poll.
Giuliani is extraordinarily well-liked and respected by the American public. He also ties with or leads Arizona Sen. John McCain as the frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination in recent Gallup polls. At the same time, his views on abortion and same-sex civil unions are unknown to most rank and file Republicans. Once informed of Giuliani's positions, a sizable minority of Republicans say they would reconsider their support for the otherwise popular and well-respected Republican luminary.
(Excerpt) Read more at galluppoll.com ...
Answer my question. If people were dying in the streets all around you, at the rates they are dying hidden behind the anticeptic walls of the abortuaries, would you "get yourself all worked up," and decide that maybe you and society needed to take legal steps to stop the carnage? Or would you maintain your wimpy, "well, I'd never do that, but I don't want to impose my (alleded) morality on anyone else" attitude?
So for now, I don't choose a candidate based upon that and that alone.
If I were a democrat and had to choose based on smoking or not, Obama would be out and shrillary would get a two thumbs up. Ditto if it came down to where parents sent the candidates to school as children.
The fact is, the voting doesn't happen for over a year and here we are with the same silly and stupid mudfight that we watched the democrats perform with such finesse and style just over three years ago.
It would behoove us as a party to figure out just as quickly this time around as we did last.
If you don't recall, our party was so organized that our President and VP announced their dynamic duo plans a full year before the mud slinging in the democrats amp started.
It really would serve us all better to try a different strategy.
Why not make it known who you would prefer for the top two spots in government and share that? It appears far more organized than to open the doors to the mud fight that the democrats do so well?
Then please stop. Pretty please.
For a quarter!
1. Abortion is murder, and it should be illegal.
2. Abortion is murder, but it should not be illegal.
3. Abortion is not murder, but it should be illegal.
4. Abortion is not murder, and it should not be illegal.
Simply respond by stating which of those numbers most closely reflects your views. No obfuscation, no diversions, etc. Thanks.
Hey, we can't stop murderers, rapists, armed robbers or con artists either. Lets just make everything legal and there will be no more crime.
Please remove the tunnel vision glasses and try to comprehend that I cannot mentally deal with this particular issue when there are others that I do prefer to deal with. Currently, the state laws and some of the screwed up stuff in Arizona with our already liberalized governess and her "spectacular" ideas have me thinking more locally and less globally. Sorry if that is a problem for you.
As for one of the crimes you listed in your spew. I have been the victim and not the perpetrator and I now have a child. So, what is more wrong? His crime that created the child? So I was more strong willed than Patty Hearst in the end, but if you add kidnapping to that list of yours...
Meanwhile, if your choices were applied to all issues for all candidates and we got honest answers from all of them, it would be much easier to determine who is most fit to represent the Republican portion of the ticket.
If my only choice was between Guiliani and McCain, then I'd have to vote for McCain and that would be a pretty hard pill to swallow. Fortunately, regardless of what Rudy supporters and the media are trying to force down our throats, we do have other choices.
Great - so we agree. I've been under the impression that you would go with #2. Given that I have no issue with you. I do hope you'll give much weight to that issue when you consider who to vote for.
Your agenda is abortion and mine is the humane treatment of those that are labeled as "mentally ill" and if I were to apply your logic to my argument we could be here for another entire evening.
Should the records of "mental patients" be kept as confidential as psychiatrists would like?
Maybe, maybe not.
Privacy and confidentiality among the many CEOs and how they run their recovery business? Yes, darned good call.
I find it appalling that people were court ordered and forced to become human guinea pigs for the makers of Neurontin.
I am more concerned about the ethically correct treatment of those that are already here.
On the other side of the coin, I don't see you on your soapbox over that.
Pick which moral dilemma the democrats of the 50s-70s have created for us and get up on your particular soapbox.
Just remember that yours isn't the only soapbox.
I hope it doesn't come to that, but there is also the thought that we could have a final ticket of two that are opposites in that one issue. Between now and then, our bigger focus is getting two that compliment one another and not make it a circus like the democrats did three years ago.
Just hoping we can find a way to get above that sort of circus act.
Who has the Rudy ping list? I would really like to hear some responses to the original post.
You're a master of avoidance.
I didn't go after any pro lifers. I would prefer that everyone was pro life. I can't make everyone pro life so I am not going to do the mental battle that someone who is debating an abortion would do. That battle is between the ears of a woman once she is pregnant according to today's law.
Copout.
Please stop. I am begging, here.
The law states that a woman has a right to choose. That puts the battle between the ears of a woman that actually is going through the process of making same said choice. I don't need that battle between my ears if I am not the one that controls the law.
I gave my specific view in a multiple choice question and if you found that post you would find that you are truly wasting your time.
It amuses me to allow those so high on their soapbox to continue the myopic view.
Someone already asked me and I answered that I am against abortion and that it should be illegal. That person had the sense to read enough to come up with four possible options that could be my personal beliefs and asked.
You wasted your time bickering.
We could pretend that I didn't just post this for you and we can bicker all night if you like or you can go back and see that my point is not so much these two issues and only these two issues.
The fact is that in the end, when the ticket is chosen, we compromise between who represents us overall and who represents the democrats overall.
Between now and then, we cna sling mud like the 'rats did in '04 or we can figure out that there has got to be a classier way to come up with who represents us.
Oh, awright, since you asked nice, but only if you go back and read my posts to others besides you...
As I said. You're a master of avoidance. You refuse to face up to two things:
A) That your phony position vis a vis abortion amounts to tacit approval of, and responsibility for, that practice.
and
B) The actual result of that approval...the mass brutal murder of 50 million of the most helpless and dependent human beings among us...and many millions more to come if it continues.
Indeed. I have seen him casually (and chronically) referred to as an 'abortionist' here on FR, for example.
Of course, an 'abortionist' is someone who actually preforms abortions. So that's an example of his views not being well known on FR.
That, or English is not the primary language on FR these days.
BTW, now that I looked at your post # 12, I would like to thank you for expounding upon my attitude for me. At least I know where I stand now. Thanks!
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