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To: PhiKapMom
To make the socially liberal Rudolf Giuliani seem acceptable to Republicans, George Will tolls the death knell for the party of Reagan.

Basically, George Will calls for us to abandon the Christian values of Ronald Reagan and the traditional Judeo-Christian values of our Founding Fathers. But if we abandon our Judeo-Christian moral values then what are we left with? What value system produces the culture of death and decadence, atheism, abortion, gay marriage, the harvesting of embryonic stem cells, human cloning, eugenics, the erosion and destruction of moral society and of our cherished God-given unalienable rights? And what value system fights against such evil?

To accept Rudolf Giuliani as the leader of the Republican party, among many other socialist mores we've fought against for so many years, we are told that we must accept abortion into our hearts. It is an accepted practice in modern America and only a minority of Americans say otherwise. Why resist?

Well, I'm sorry. I do not accept abortion into my heart. And I doubt the majority of Americans will either.

The mass murder of helpless innocent babies in the womb is evil. Period. Poking sharp instruments into the skulls of partially born babies and sucking their brains out is grotesque barbarism so horrific to be beyond the ability of most people to fully comprehend. It's unthinkable evil.

Knowing that the Democrat Party lovingly embraces this evil as part of their platform literally makes me sick to my stomach. Every time I see the face of Hillary, Kennedy, Schumer, Reid, et al, I see the face of pure evil. It's as if I'm looking into the face of Nazism

Rudolf Giuliani does not deliver us from this evil, he delivers us to it.

If the Republican party embraces this evil culture of death platform as the Democrat party does, then I will have to agree... it's time to move on.

The party of Reagan will be dead. The party of Lincoln will be dead. The party of Jeffersonian life and liberty will be dead. The only party defending human life and liberty in America will be dead.

The Republican party becomes the Democrat party and the Democrat party becomes the communist party, the right to life and liberty in America be damned.

Time and evil marches on.

Please pray for America.

140 posted on 02/11/2007 4:43:04 PM PST by Jim Robinson ("Electable" gave us Gerald Ford and Bob Dole. Voting for the right-wing kook gave us Reagan. ~ A.C.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Judeo-Christian moral values then what are we left with?

Kind of dangerous depending on which portions of this Judeo-Christian philosophy one subscribes to. If it comes from primarily the Pentateuch, then I want no part of those kinds of pious values infecting legislation. If it is more of the NT, hands off, do your thing as long as it hurts no one else; don't let those in power pervert meanings and become tyrannical, then yes, I am all for those values becoming -- no, perhaps repealing -- current legislation.

Jim, the Republicans are deeply split along classical liberal and populist lines. Big tent conservatism can be dangerous if the true focus isn't personal freedom, lower taxes, and a championing for capitalism. The so-called base is running further away from those particular principles. If they really are the base, it will not be long before a major shakeup happens where authoritarian leaning Democrats can pick them off once this "base" outnumbers the so-called and poorly named "progressives".

141 posted on 02/11/2007 5:00:21 PM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: Jim Robinson

Your post is a rather crude attempt to make Giuliani into some Godless anti-Christ death cultist anti American socialist. And that is all because of his previous comments about the legal status of abortion. It won't work, not even on your very own site. It would be more straight forward, to just say you can't support Giuliani as a matter of conscience on an issue that is of seminal importance to you, which trumps all else, because you think a fetus at any stage of development is entitled to the same legal protections as one who is actually born, because both are one and the same. That would be a calmer and more accurate statement, of what really animates you. The rest is hyperbole. JMO.


143 posted on 02/11/2007 5:10:28 PM PST by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: Jim Robinson
Wonderful post, thanks.

George Will has been a wishy-washy conservative at best for a long time, so it's not surprising to see him to start cheering for the likes of Giuliani and Romney.

Here are a few FACTS that the "we need to sell out our principles" crowd needs to consider:
- NO pro-abortion Republican has ever been elected president.
- NO Mayor of NYC has ever been elected to any post higher than Mayor of NYC.
- The only Governor of Massachusetts to ever become president was Calvin Coolidge and it needs to be noted that he became president on the death of Harding and the 1924 election was going to be a GOP landslide no matter who was nominated.

145 posted on 02/11/2007 5:16:45 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Jim Robinson

Buh^ump!


147 posted on 02/11/2007 5:21:48 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you for saying what needed to be said. I applaud your post.


163 posted on 02/11/2007 7:10:40 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: areafiftyone; Blackirish; MadIvan

ping


166 posted on 02/11/2007 7:18:31 PM PST by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: Jim Robinson; Gelato; Waywardson; Broadside; Taxman; Delphinium; CounterCounterCulture; ...

I agree with your #140 in detail, most particularly the last sentence.


171 posted on 02/11/2007 7:50:38 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: Jim Robinson
>>>>>Rudolf Giuliani does not deliver us from this evil, he delivers us to it.

Exactly. Good post, Jim.

George Will seems to be saying that Reaganism is dead, and if it isn't, it should be. Sorry George, Reagan's Presidency wasn't all rhetoric, as many Freepers believe it was. Reagan was highly successful in advancing the conservative agenda, winning the Cold War and lifting up the American spirit. Seems some folks have forgotten what America was like from 1964 to 1980.

A lot of FReepers have been playing the victim of conservatism far too long around this forum. Its time that some people reevaluated their politics. Rudy Giuliani is not the answer to the problems facing America, the GOP or conservatism. Will says, dump Reaganism and move on. Move on to what? Giulianism! Sorry, not me.

The Party of Reagan lives on.

181 posted on 02/11/2007 8:19:01 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't vote for liberals.)
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To: Jim Robinson
...if we abandon our Judeo-Christian moral values then what are we left with? What value system produces the culture of death and decadence, atheism, abortion, gay marriage, the harvesting of embryonic stem cells, human cloning, eugenics, the erosion and destruction of moral society and of our cherished God-given unalienable rights? And what value system fights against such evil?"


EXACTLY.

"We shall have no truce or parley with you, or the grisly gang who work your wicked will. You do your worst, and we will do our best....We do not expect to hit without being hit back, and we intend with every week that passes to hit harder. Prepare yourselves then, my friends and comrades, for this renewal of your exertions. We shall never turn from our purpose, however sombre the road, however grievous the cost, because we know that out of this time of trial and tribulation will be born a new freedom and glory for all mankind." - Winston Churchill, 1941

Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. -- Winston Churchill

There is no neutral ground in the universe--every square inch, every split second, is claimed by God and counterclaimed by Satan. -- C.S. Lewis
198 posted on 02/11/2007 11:59:54 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Jim Robinson
The process that has led us to this juncture was described more than 30 years ago and is summarized here: The Ideological Corral.

If that makes sense to you now, and you admire its author's long distance vision, be aware that he had more.

For those possessing patriotism, faith, courage -- leadership qualities -- the author offered a remedy. It's a peaceful one: a process provided by America's Founding Fathers -- and by God as if in answer to a prayer. Although it's been weakened, yet it remains.

But to have a chance, it needed the right time. The remedy could only effectively begin when more than a few Americans felt that their two main political parties were comprised more of rulers than of public servants. You may not there yet, but you seem on the brink. You and I have never spoken of this before. PM me Jim.

Avoiding Sulla

237 posted on 02/17/2007 8:38:12 AM PST by Avoiding_Sulla (You can't see where we're going when you don't look where we've been.)
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