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No Hildy, we don't know that the "righteous-right" will pull the R lever when it comes down to Rudy vs. Hillary, sadly.

And I think the politicians and strategists are ALSO learning that the social conservatives cannot be counted on to pull that lever for them, so in that respect, pat yourself on the back.

Unfortunately, congresscritters being what they have always been, are justifiably deciding that the only way to build a winning percentage today is to court further left and avoid touching the THIRD RAIL of social conservatives, abortion.

In 1980, there was such a thing as a social conservative democrat, aka "Reagan Democrats." Show me one today?

So, you can try to train the puppies in congress to follow your lead by letting go the leash, but I don't think you're going to get the result you want.

Thus I have a question for you Titan-think alikes. Is this "teach them a lesson" thing a suicide pact for the country? After 8-yrs of Hillary-care, where abortion-on-demand and empryonic stem cell harvesting is paid for by the federal government, do you think you'll be in a better position to get Roe v Wade overturned?

Well, if it is Rudy -V- Hillary (and I doubt that very much), from a social conservative POV, there is little or no difference. Rudy will appoint his left-wing East Coast white shoe law firm buddies. Hillary will too. No thanks. If the GOP wants my vote, they need to find a main-stream conservative, NOT a flaming gungrabber like Rudy.

---"do you think you'll be in a better position to get Roe v Wade overturned?"---

I think I can declare with 100% confidence that either Presidency would result in Pro-Roe nominees, as both candidates hold the right to abortion as a fundamental human right not to be infringed upon. To expect otherwise from either candidate is foolishness. Take a look at Rudy's judicial appointments in NYC - not a Republican among them.

If the GOP is comfortable nominating Rudy Giuliani as its standard-bearer, then I am no longer comfortable with the GOP.

I will not vote for Rudy Giuliani under any circumstance, and in both the Primaries and General Election, I will work to see to his defeat for the greater good of the causes I believe in.

The "fear Hillary" slogan doesn't work on me when Rudy is the other option, as I fear Rudy more. Is a little political suicide needed? Ask me after the GOP nominee is named. If it's Rudy, you're damn right I'll help see the party commit suicide rather than all of the causes I believe in.

Dear sam_paine,

"And I think the politicians and strategists are ALSO learning that the social conservatives cannot be counted on to pull that lever for them, so in that respect, pat yourself on the back."

I'm a social conservative, and I've voted for social liberals before. I voted for the puke boy social liberal Robert Ehrlich this past November for re-election here as Governor of Maryland.

But I won't vote for a social liberal for president.

No reason to.

Every reason not to.

Someone here quoted a line earlier today from ee cummings:

"there is some sh!t I will not eat"

sitetest

After 8-yrs of Hillary-care, where abortion-on-demand and empryonic stem cell harvesting is paid for by the federal government,

You wish to avoid the abomination of a Hillary Clinton administration? So do I. So let's not make Lefty Giuliani the Republican nominee. Let's give social conservatives a real choice, a real Reagan social conservative.

If you insist on Rudy, you will get Hillary.

I don't know how much clearer that point can be made.

If Rudy lost and even if Hillary won I do not think it would get passed as easily as if Rudy was POTUS pushing the exact same thing. In a Hillary vs Rudy race if Rudy wins we have in effect two GOP's. Rudy will do the DEMs bidding and take half the GOP with him added to the DEMs doing so. I've seen it happen before in Tennessee. A liberal RINO governor did the DEMs work for them and the party was hard pressed to oppose him on important issues.

On the other hand most GOP elected would fight against Hillary trying to do the exact same things as Rudy and worse. At least more so than a split GOP would with Rudy. Sometimes winning and election is worse than loosing especially when your party candidate is the other parties useful idiot.

Sad to say the pre-1994 GOP had far more will to fight against the liberals agenda than the GOP majority since has shown. Electing a RINO will only compound it. What few hard fighting Conservatives left will get no help.