If the GOP turns it back on the Conservative, I will turn my back on them.
"Why, it would be irresponsible to stay home or vote third party just because our issues are off the table - even all of our issues."
Its the duty of all Americans to get out and vote! Even if you vote third party. VOTE!
Rudy`s strategy is becoming clear. He will disagree with himself when necessary, obfuscate his liberal record as often as possible and generally employ rhetorical double-talk instead of offering firm answers on issues. That amounts to being an unprincipled person, with questionable integrity. Ready to make decisions based on political expediency. No thanks Rudy.
Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic Ping List:
Please ping me to all note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of interest.
It may be he case that in the end Rudy is the candidate and the only one who can beat Hillary. If that time comes I will vote for him. What bothers me is that hear here we are, way before the election, and we are already supposed to cast aside out beliefs for this guy.
Well, it's plain and simple. They are WRONG. Period! End of story!
Do I have to pardon your logic errors as well?
Popcorn Bump...
I'd hate a Hillary presidency in every other way, but in this one very-important-to-me issue, Hillary would be (gasp) better.
Good article. It perfectly captures my view.
We'd be better off with lefty Hillary, because then there would be some vigilance and defense from the right. Rudy would be like boiling the frog so gradually, he never notices to jump out of the pot.
Yes, we'd be better off with Hillary. (I'll vote 3rd party, however.)
What you're seeing is a repeat of history, i.e. the disintegration and demise of the Whig Party.
Dear TitansAFC,
How dare you bash Mr. Giuliani?
How dare you mention the facts that he's a total and complete pro-abort? A champion of the homosexual agenda for special rights? A foe of the Second Amendment?
You're bashing! Or trashing!
Sorry. Not sure if you're bashing or trashing. I can't keep them straight.
In any event, don't you know that it's entirely inappropriate to bring up a candidate's past record, past statements, past positions, past alliances?
That's just unfair! That's just trashing!! (Or bashing.)
So what if Mr. Giuliani previously stated that he's opposed to any ban on partial birth abortion?? Why are you bashing (or trashing - I'm still working on which it is) him for stuff that he did and said in the long, distant past??
Don't you know that Mr. Giuliani is a conservative? How do we know? He TOLD us so!!
ROTLFMAO!!!
GREAT THREAD!!
sitetest
Please FreepMail me if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.
There's a hard rain gonna fall.
'"Roberts and Alito!" -- Oh yes! Problem solved; all questions answered! Whatever were we concerned about in the first place?"
Rudy is shrewd. He remembers how President Bush said that he would pick judges, like Scalia and Thomas, which was probably the deciding factor in Bush's winning the election, so Rudy is playing the same kind of politics, and too many naive types are falling for it.
A few years ago I was hoping we could eliminate the liberal democrat party, sadly at this point, it looks like the conservative republican party will be eliminated.
This is where the battle shall be fought.
Don't fork the choice over to the MSM of whom we should choose as our nominee!
(Not so dirty little secret is they are voting for the Dem no matter what!)
I'll vote for Pro-Gun, Pro-Family candidates wherever they're put before me on the ballot.
I just wish some on this forum would stop blaming me for the lack of perfect conservative candidates at the national level. The simple fact is most Americans don't hang out on political forums all day, and have no idea who "Duncan Hunter" is. I do hang out on a political forum all day, and I still couldn't pick him out of a lineup. The fact is, if he wants to be a candidate, he's gonna have to get himself some face time and get known. The other fact is, Giuliani and McCain both have more name recognition, face recognition, and in Giuliani's case, public admiration for their experience. You've got someone better? CATCH UP. But don't blame me for the relative obscurity of the "better candidates" "true conservatives" would rather elect.
On a practical level, I don't think Guiliani, if elected will make a bit of difference on guns or abortion. Abortion has been a non-starter issue even with a pro-life president and Republican majority for most of the last 8. Honestly, I think the country will be ready to make a decision about abortion in the near future, but I don't think it will be because of party politics, it will be because medical technology will have made the decision obvious to everyone. Even the most strident abortion rights supporters will not be able to deny life has begun when it can be seen, recorded, and even cured in the womb. No matter who is president.
And on guns, I think it's also a non-starter issue. Gun control is a local issue, and even in my 'liberal' state of Washington, where we've had shall issue CWP since before it was fashionable, even Democrats don't run on a gun control agenda. Gun grabbing is not a popular idea, not even on the left. Heck, with the current paranoia on the left, the last thing they'd allow is for an any Republican President to take away their guns. They already think camps are being prepared for them. So gun control, on a national level, is a non starter, no matter who is president.
So - what difference does it make who's president? In my opinion, it makes a difference that we can be renewed and recommitted to winning the war in Iraq, and the continuing WOT. It is the only thing that matters. We've sacrificed a lot of good lives in that fight. Too many honorable, valuable lives to let it all be thrown away as a worthless effort not worth winning. We need to find a leader this whole country can follow where it matters. And Rudy Giuliani is the only one I see (yet) who is in the league to gain that kind of across the board respect on National Defense. We remember him from 'that day'. We respected his resolve and example, and would trust him again if we have more difficult days to come. We're not wrong for thinking that. And 'some' conservatives are making NO POINTS with me by insulting either Giuliani or his supporters, but you are beginning to repel me from you.
My two cents.
Check out the latest FR poll, where JimRob seems to be pointing out very similar viewpoints.
Free Republic Opinion Poll: Let's just say that Hillary (or someone equally as vile) gets the Democrat nomination and a pro-life, anti-gay marriage, pro-gun, pro-defense, pro-borders, pro-small government, pro-low taxes, peace through superior firepower patriot gets the Republican nod. Who would you vote for in the general?