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Honest Abe to go on trial - for racism (Community College "education")
Aurora [Colorado] Sentinel ^ | 2/8/07 | Staff

Posted on 02/09/2007 7:22:48 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s

Honest Abe to go on trial - for racism

Daily Sun reports

Thursday, February 08, 2007

AURORA | The Community College of Aurora's professors will stage a mock trail that puts Abraham Lincoln on trial for racism at 2 p.m. Saturday, Feb. 10, at the college's Fine Arts building at 16000 E. CentreTech Parkway.

The trial is free and open to the public. Based on his speeches and written documents, teams for the prosecution and the defense assembled from the Community College of Aurora's criminal justice program and will try Lincoln to determine whether he was a racist and how his beliefs and attitudes influenced the course of the Civil War, Reconstruction and post-war society.

Call 303-739-6600 or visit www.auroralibrary.org.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: academia; culturewars; indoctrination; indoctrinationcamp; publiceducation; publikskoolz
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To: Non-Sequitur

Funny, I didn't think "it" was hidden. Like any other historical information, it should be studied and analyzed in the context of the times.

Studying history is not worth much if you evaluate motives based on contemporary standards and reasoning. You will not learn why people did what they did by imprinting your thought processes upon their reasoning.

What may seem like an easy stance to us may well have required tremendous courage in another era.

Based on the way this particular exercise is been described, I don't see any effort to actually understand much of anything of history at that time.

PC sees history as well as pretty much everything else, through a very egocentric lens.


121 posted on 02/11/2007 3:52:00 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there)
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To: KingArthur305
He [Lincoln] refused exchange because the rebels didn't concider African American POW's equivient to redneck rebels. They got a taste of negro life, hey.

Many make the argument that the South fought the war to preserve slavery. If the South fought the war to preserve their slaves, then it was no wonder that they wouldn't return any of their slaves who were captured in Federal uniforms.

There was more to the North's refusal to exchange prisoners than the slave POW argument. For a time towards the end of the war, the North didn't want to free any Southern POWs they held, and they invented reasons not to exchange them because the Southerners would quickly return to the battlefield. Consider what the Union Commissioner of Prisoner Exchange, General Benjamin "Beast" Butler, said about blocking prisoner exchange after the war.

In case the Confederate authorities should yield to the argument...and formally notify me that their slaves captured in our uniform would be exchanged as other soldiers were, and that they were ready to return to us all our prisoners at Andersonville and elsewhere in exchange for theirs, I had determined, with the consent of the lieutenant-general [Grant], as a last resort, in order to prevent exchange, to demand that the outlawry against me should be formally reversed and apologized for before I would further negotiate the exchange of prisoners.

It may be remarked here that the rebels were willing enough to exchange prisoners at this time, man for man, were we to permit it to be done.

122 posted on 02/11/2007 3:53:17 PM PST by rustbucket (E pur si muove)
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To: EagleUSA

community college. mostly adults attend here. probablly not very smart though.


123 posted on 02/11/2007 3:53:47 PM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: Pelham
It's interesting to see you read what isn't there into what I wrote. But then the Lincoln cult does tend to react first and think later.

It is interesting that you chose to make an ad hominem attack in response to my facts. Debate like a man and not like a rat.

You put forth a preposterous position that Johnson was responsible for the 13th amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The facts simply do not support your position.

President Lincoln was the driving force behind the passage of the 13th amendment.

124 posted on 02/11/2007 3:54:15 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Pikachu_Dad
Debate like a man and not like a rat.

This from someone whining that I was engaging in ad hominem.
Priceless.

125 posted on 02/11/2007 4:03:56 PM PST by Pelham (California, Mexico's HMO)
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To: Pikachu_Dad; stainlessbanner
Why don't you provide a bit more of the quote...

Because the Southron contingent specializes in half quotes, misquotes, and quotes out of context.

126 posted on 02/11/2007 4:10:48 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: ladyjane
They had 'slaves' too, some were eight and ten year old children who lived in conditions that were worse than those in the south. Many of them ended up with brown lung disease, if they didn't die or lose a limb in the factory.

And if you asked any of them if they would like to change places with a slave - to be bought and sold at a whim, to have absolutely no rights whatsoever, to see their family split up and sold whenever the master wanted, to be beaten or crippled if they tried to run off, to know that they were nothing but property and their children were property and their grandchildren would be property - how many do you think would have jumped at the chance?

127 posted on 02/11/2007 4:17:13 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: ladyjane
You seem to be ignoring the factory owners in the north who made millions producing textiles. They had 'slaves' too, some were eight and ten year old children who lived in conditions that were worse than those in the south. Many of them ended up with brown lung disease, if they didn't die or lose a limb in the factory. May May may those poor workers. They got money and they got to go home a drink or have good sex after a long days labor. They lived short lives but that was true for everyone. So they sould have been farming?
128 posted on 02/11/2007 4:23:45 PM PST by KingArthur305
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To: Pikachu_Dad
You put forth a preposterous position that Johnson was responsible for the 13th amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The facts simply do not support your position.

I'll concede that I made such a "preposterous" assertion as soon as you copy from one of my posts to show where I made it. Until then, it's another sterling example of Lincoln cult hysteria. Confronted with criticisms of their plaster god, the cultists set their hair on fire and call for an inquisition.

129 posted on 02/11/2007 4:29:02 PM PST by Pelham (California, Mexico's HMO)
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To: Pelham

Lincoln cult? Never heard of it!


130 posted on 02/11/2007 4:35:16 PM PST by KingArthur305
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To: ChildOfThe60s

PUKEMAO!


131 posted on 02/11/2007 4:35:31 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Reagan would vote for Hunter)
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To: KingArthur305

It's the American version of the Caesar cults of the Romans.

The Romans would deify a Caesar and build a Temple to him at Rome. Lincoln's Temple is in the District of Coumbia. His adherents mull over the sacred writings at Claremont University, and keep a sharp eye out for infidels.


132 posted on 02/11/2007 4:53:22 PM PST by Pelham (California, Mexico's HMO)
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To: Pelham

There are a lot worse people's papers to mull over than Abraham Lincoln's. He was, by a wide margin, our most eloquent president. There has not been, and never will be, a speech by any president that can touch his second inaugural.


133 posted on 02/11/2007 5:06:59 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Pelham
I'll concede that I made such a "preposterous" assertion as soon as you copy from one of my posts to show where I made it.

Already had son.

Until then, it's another sterling example of Lincoln cult hysteria. Confronted with criticisms of their plaster god, the cultists set their hair on fire and call for an inquisition.

Are you by any chance related to the Iman that the Dem's invited to give the prayer at the DNC meeting?

134 posted on 02/11/2007 5:36:45 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Pikachu_Dad
Quoting a known plagarist and presenting it as scholarly work.
No thanks.
135 posted on 02/11/2007 6:21:07 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner

I didn't know Lincoln was ever accused of plagarism.


136 posted on 02/11/2007 6:46:40 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Non-Sequitur
Fact: Lawyer Lincoln defended a Kentucky slaveholder.
Fact: Politician Lincoln repeatedly stated he was not for equality between blacks and whites.
Fact: President Lincoln advocated a black colonization program.
137 posted on 02/11/2007 7:00:56 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Non-Sequitur

I was trying to point out that the real money was being made in the north. It was the textile manufacturers who were making the millions. It was not solely a slavery and agriculture economy, it was a manufacturing and a banking economy as well. And the northern states were bleeding the southern states.

When the war between the states began the factory owners were dependent on cotton from the south. They were very much against the war. As they sat in the Somerset Club overlooking the Boston Common they had the servants draw the draperies so they would not have to look at the Union Soldiers parading on the common.
The people up north weren't all good and the people down south weren't all bad.


138 posted on 02/11/2007 7:05:41 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: billbears

Did It Hit Home?


139 posted on 02/11/2007 7:09:27 PM PST by KingArthur305
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To: stainlessbanner
Lawyer Lincoln defended a Kentucky slaveholder.

Robert Mason 1847 - Lincoln lost the case. The court of Illinois set the slaves free.

In 1857 Lincoln publicly denounced the Dred Scott decision. Dred Scott was a machination between Buchanan and the Supreme Court justice to overturn the Missouri compromise. It overturned the law that Mason's slaves were freed on.

Did he change his view point, or was he just performing his role in society as a lawyer?

Politician Lincoln repeatedly stated he was not for equality between blacks and whites.

Yes, and his opponent repeatedly accused him of being for the equality of blacks and whites.

He did advocate the slavery should be outlawed. And when he obtained the power to do so, he did outlaw it. He emancipated the slaves in the south in the rebelious states that he could free immediately. Then he worked to pass the 13th amendment to abolish the institution in the rest of the country.

That action led to the eventual equality of the races in this countries. Actions that were fought tooth and nail by the Democratic party. There is after all a REASON the South threatened to seceed from the Union (and then did) if Lincoln became President.

Would have he been elected President if he advocated the view that the races were equal at that point in time. That sounds like political suicide to me.

President Lincoln advocated a black colonization program.

So did many prominent blacks. If you become forcefully removed from this country and placed in a strange country with foreign customs, you would probably want to return home as well.

140 posted on 02/11/2007 8:33:09 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad
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