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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Marine_Uncle; section9; Nick Danger; Allegra; Dog
"The cells are thought to be armed with Russian made Strela SA-7 anti-aircraft missiles, a first generation shoulder fired anti-aircraft missile which is widely distributed throughout the world."

The SA-7, HN-5, and the various Ayn as Saqr variants only have 2.5 pounds of high explosive. They seek out tailpipes.

One quick field response would be to weld longer exhausts down and away from one side of each helicopter. 10 feet away from the engine/fuel tank/cockpit would make a world of difference against 2.5 pounds of HE.

The launchers for those missiles have passive radio frequency receivers that point the operator toward an aircraft that is transmiting radio, has a Mode-3 or later transponder, or has an active radar. May have to turn those off for a while, boys.

Also, keep in mind that Al Qaeda was working on a chain-based ground system in Iraq to take out helicopters, plus Iran is fielding air-burst proximity-fused RPG's.

Owning the skies doesn't mean that you own the dust-zones. Helicopters are vulnerable to these new threats. Just as cavalry adapted in the past, obseleting old horses and embracing new modes of transportation, so too may we have to do it again (and expect similar levels of b!tc#ing from the horse lovers).

18 posted on 02/07/2007 11:34:31 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: SJackson; yonif; Lazamataz

FYI, passive radio frequency receivers were what Hezbollah used last year to roughly track the location/direction of Israel's tanks in Lebanon...

So passive radio frequency receivers aren't just being used against our helicopters in Iraq.


19 posted on 02/07/2007 11:37:43 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
Good points regarding the G/A weapon systems most likely being used.
Hopefully our Army will quickly come up with some reliable solutions similiar to what you suggest.
25 posted on 02/08/2007 9:46:12 AM PST by Marine_Uncle
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