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Texas vaccine mandate draws GOP ire
Associated Press ^ | 02/05/07 | LIZ AUSTIN PETERSON

Posted on 02/07/2007 8:46:47 AM PST by presidio9

Several key Republicans urged Gov. Rick Perry on Monday to rescind his executive order making Texas the first state to require girls to be vaccinated against the sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer.

Lawmakers should have been allowed to hear from doctors, scientists and patients before the state implemented such a sweeping mandate, said state Sen. Jane Nelson, chairwoman of the health and human services committee.

"This is not an emergency," said Nelson, adding that she plans to ask Attorney General Greg Abbott for an opinion on the legality of Perry's order. "It needs to be discussed and debated."

Three other Republican lawmakers filed bills that would override the mandate, and several others were working on similar legislation.

Perry defended his decision, saying his fellow conservatives were wrong to worry that mandating the vaccine will trample parents' rights and promote premarital sex.

"Providing the HPV vaccine doesn't promote sexual promiscuity any more than providing the Hepatitis B vaccine promotes drug use," Perry said in a statement. "If the medical community developed a vaccine for lung cancer, would the same critics oppose it claiming it would encourage smoking?"

Perry has ordered the Texas Health and Human Services Commission to adopt rules requiring Merck & Co.'s new Gardasil vaccine for girls entering the sixth grade as of September 2008. The vaccine protects girls against strains of the human papillomavirus that cause most cases of cervical cancer.

Texas allows parents to opt out of inoculations by filing an affidavit objecting to the vaccine on religious or philosophical reasons, but critics say the order still interferes with parental rights.

"I don't think the government should ever presume to know better than the parents what to do with children," Republican Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst said.

Perry also directed state health authorities to make the vaccine available free to girls ages 9 to 18 who are uninsured or whose insurance does not cover vaccines. And he ordered Medicaid to offer Gardasil to women ages 19 to 21.


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: celebrateperversity; gardasil; hpv; merck; perry; rickperry; texas
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To: EKrusling

No, your wrong. From what I've read, it is active HPV infection that causes cellular change. If for example, the doc get a pap test back that shows positive results, he then tests for HPV strain to determine treatment. If the strain doesn't match the risk strains, then he just monitors the case untill the infection passes, and results return to normal.

If however, strain tests come back showing the high risk strains, he will probably use a leez or other method of treatment then, after there is no longer any more sign of abnormal cellular change, montitor the case until HPV infection passes and results return to normal.

It is active HPV, along with other risk factors that cause
cellular abnormalities.
HPV goes away without a trance on it's own.
This is all explained on the ACS treatment section on their website.


221 posted on 02/07/2007 1:14:04 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: LtdGovt; Paleo Conservative; presidio9; stentorian conservative; luckystarmom
Parents can still opt-out, if they want that, or believe that the possible side-effects are too risky. I don't see the problem.

Welcome to FR.

Opt out? You don't see a problem? That's pretty funny from someone with the screen name of *LtdGovt*.

True limited government would not support this being mandatory.

222 posted on 02/07/2007 1:16:13 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: kinoxi
The vaccine is happening.

his executive order making Texas the first state to require girls to be vaccinated against the sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer.

It means what it means. You sound kind of like Plankton from SpongeBob - "There's no stopping my plan now!" Are you a school nurse or some other authority-depreived individual?

Old K, you seem to have given up on persuading anyone with your hodge-podge or inconsistent statistics and arguments and gone straight to berating. In your case I think it hues closer to your true colors. When you were arguing, you would trot out "reasons" like a toddler who has gotten into his dad's rachet set and sent parts rolling all over the floor. I truly get the impression that you have no idea what your statistics and arguments prove or don't prove. Maybe you are a mynah bird in Merck's office, repeating random phrases.

223 posted on 02/07/2007 1:17:19 PM PST by Puddleglum
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Check out the link to this thread for some answers to your questions.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1778223/posts?page=673#673


224 posted on 02/07/2007 1:18:52 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: massgopguy

Nice. They have to get an innoculation every 5-6 years for the rest of their lives. Can you say *cash cow*?


225 posted on 02/07/2007 1:19:46 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: EKrusling
"It is also worth noting that girls under the age of 18 are at an elevated risk of acquiring a cervical cancer-causing HPV infection than older women."

No, that's not worth noting either. it is repeated HPV infection which increases risk of cervical cancer development.

Do you not think "older women" were not at one time "younger women"? HPV has been around for centuries, this is nothing new.

226 posted on 02/07/2007 1:20:45 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: massgopguy

Nice. They have to get an innoculation every 5-6 years for the rest of their lives. Can you say *cash cow*?


227 posted on 02/07/2007 1:20:54 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Puddleglum

It's happening. I didn't enact it. Your insults are irrelevant. If you've got a point I'd love to hear it but this $hit is getting old.


228 posted on 02/07/2007 1:21:16 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Tax-chick; LtdGovt

There's a precedent for vaccinating everyone for a condition that mainly affects women.

There are some long-term results of measles, but I believe that the main justification for the public policy mandating the Rubella measles vaccine is to prevent the birth defects that result if mom catches the virus while pregnant.

But again, measles can be caught from close contact or even casual contact with the same surface. (And it was mandated before the Internet.) (grin)


229 posted on 02/07/2007 1:23:18 PM PST by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: Puddleglum

LoL! well, I didn't go THAT far, but .. LOL!


230 posted on 02/07/2007 1:27:53 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: MeanWestTexan

Am I reading this right? Is this implying that I don't want my children to have *any* vaccines? Am I allowed to exempt my children from just one vaccine?


231 posted on 02/07/2007 1:31:40 PM PST by Marie (Unintended consequences.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Do you even know what a pap test is, how it is done, and how a 'positive' result is determined? The original poster said that a majority of women who develop cervical cancer had acquired HPV earlier in life and he was 100% correct.

Cellular abnormalities (dysplasias which are not cancer) develop from HPV. These dysplasias may then become cervical cancer after many years. Hence, if the cervical cancer came from HPV (as over 90% of cervical cancers are), then you got the HPV much earlier in life.

Chistopher P. Crum, MD "The Female Genital Tract". Chapter 22 of Kumar, Abbas, Fausto; Robbins and Cotran: Pathologic Basis of Disease 7th ed.. Philadelphia, PA: The Curtis Center, 2005.
Cervical Intraepithelial Neoplasia

The reason that papanicolaou smear screening is so effective in preventing cervical cancer is that the majority of cancers are preceded by a precancerous lesion. This lesion may exist in the noninvasive stage for as long as 20 years and shed abnormal cells that can be detected on cytologic examination. These precancerous changes should be viewed with the following in mind: (1) they represent a continuum of morphologic change with indistinct boundaries; (2) they do not invariably progress to cancer and may spontaneously regress, with the risk of persistence of progression to cancer increasing with the severity of the precancerous change; (3) they are associated with papillomaviruses, and high-risk HPV types are found in increasing frequency in the higher-grade precursors.
232 posted on 02/07/2007 1:31:51 PM PST by EKrusling
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To: kinoxi

I said what I said. There - now the wisdom of Popeye speaks for both of us. And with that, I bid this topic adieu until it rears its ugly head again tomorrow.


233 posted on 02/07/2007 1:32:20 PM PST by Puddleglum
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To: Puddleglum

;)


234 posted on 02/07/2007 1:34:07 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Nathan Zachary
"About 3,670 women will die from cervical cancer in the United States during 2007.

What kills me is that we loose about 20,000 people a year to the flu. Why aren't there mandatory vaccinations for *that*?

235 posted on 02/07/2007 1:37:22 PM PST by Marie (Unintended consequences.)
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To: EKrusling

Just read the site. I'm not going to argue with you.

Your right, ACS, CDC is wrong... whatever.

My medical book is wrong as well, Must have been misprinted.


236 posted on 02/07/2007 1:37:46 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Tax-chick; kinoxi; Paleo Conservative
The point is that males can contract HPV and transmit it, so why shouldn't they be vaccinated?

Until they can guarantee that the men won't continue to spread it among themselves, vaccinating half the population is a waste of time. If we're going to vaccinate only half the population, let them be volunteers. Vaccinate the half that wants it. Then they'll be safe and wom't have to worry about anyone else.

Besides, it's supposed to help prevent anal cancer, but somehow I don't think there's a good way for marketing to push that one that would engender a lot of public support.....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1779740/posts?page=82#82

237 posted on 02/07/2007 1:37:58 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

The vaccine is meant to prevent cervical cancer. Males don't get it.


238 posted on 02/07/2007 1:41:02 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Marie

"Am I allowed to exempt my children from just one vaccine?"

In my experience and my read, yes.


239 posted on 02/07/2007 1:50:38 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: DejaJude

"experimenting"

GMAB. The same level of testing has been done on any numerous vaccines.

The only reason for this hysteria is this is an STD.


240 posted on 02/07/2007 1:52:28 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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