Posted on 02/06/2007 6:08:59 PM PST by quidnunc
Rudy Giuliani is in. Suggested campaign slogan: "He dealt with Brooklyn. He can handle Baghdad.'' He's not a sure thing; he has enough baggage to fill the cargo hold of a cruise ship. His sundry personal-life issues bother social conservatives; the gun control stance dismays the Second Amendment wing of the party; the pro-choice opinions alarm the evangelicals. That leaves about 47 Republicans, right? After all, it's just a party of cousin-marrying yahoos who'd sooner shoot up Planned Parenthood than vote for one of those fish-on-Friday types. Right?
No. Voters are more flexible and forgiving than you might expect. And none of the objections obscure the central appeal of the Rudy candidacy: He'll nuke 'em if he has to. That won't be the central theme of his campaign, of course, but it's the unstated strength of his candidacy. He's not a wuss. Look at the rest of the field:
Mitt Romney. He's a heavy fave, but the M-word makes his support in the evangelical community unsure. Many will vote for him, since he's an all-around moral guy, and no one wants a public debate over doctrinal differences. Other evangelicals regard his faith as something between David Koresh and Scientology, and would rather vote for Joe Lieberman. (Him you could convert!) Romney has an abortion flip-flop to confront, which softens his support as well. He's a solid candidate thus far because he's, well, solid: He appears hewn from the Presidential Quarry.
On the other hand, he could be a genial cyborg from an invading race. Wouldn't exactly surprise anyone.
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I love Newt. He's the smartest person in the field but he absolutely has no charisma and can't shed his baggage. I don't know why. I love to listen to the man but I know that he can't win so why waste the energy.
McCain: If he weren't old, mean and crazy, he'd make a great president.
(Sorry, I just love using that line.)
I've seen it .. you can't miss it
It's on almost every dang thread a dozen times
To: narses
Knock off the spamming.
Thanks.
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Is that a confession?
The bench is horrible! I posted a long comment about that which is at the end of a long, long thread. I have done a ton of research on various candidates since the election. We have done NOTHING to groom any Conservative to run this time since the 2006 election took out Allen, Santorum and Frist for starters.
We have very few candidates with a spine, we have candidates that pander knowing full well they cannot deliver, most of our candidates are not energizing and are just plain dull when they speak. Went through the whole list of why most cannot win and if they did, why they probably would not have the backbone to do a good job as President.
We have lost governership after governership the last few elections and what is left would not make a good candidate. I have looked at every conservative I could think of and cannot come up with one that could win. I have asked on here and you get the answers of people who are running.
I was supporting George Allen until he lost and you will find a lot of us on here that also supported Allen. Other then Rudy, George Allen is the only one of the current candidates including Newt the non-candidate who speaks and you listen. I have eaten enough dinners with louzy food and been almost put to sleep by the rest. Was not impressed with Newt's speech as he reached out to be bi-partisan.
Love Senator Inhofe but no way he would run. We just don't have a bench of conservatives to run IMHO. I finally decided to go to Rudy because at least you know what he stands for and he sure doesn't pander. He stands the best chance IMO of beating Hillary -- in fact, he stands the bet chance of grinding her into the ground with a landslide of votes as he reaches out to a wide spectrum of voters.
It is going to take a ton of money to run this time as almost all the primaries have or are moving into February instead of May/June like in 2000 so 3-4 months have been lopped off the primary schedule. Most of Bush's money people are going to Rudy including some of his best fundraisers. Getting Rich Goeas and the Tarrance Group was a coup. Person after person I know that have gone to Rudy are good conservatives that understand the WOT has to be the #1 priority in this election and we cannot allow Ms. Clinton/Obama/Edwards near the WH.
You need a lot of money and a crack campaign team with a 50-state strategy and Rudy has done just that. It has been put together in short order but he has the best and brightest of the GOP political people working for him IMHO.
My two cents!
Okay, I'll put you down for "Has Issues with Women."
So have I and you'd think that Newt would have as well. But then, Hillary must still have his RAW FBI files. *shrugs*
I've been following this thread, and it dawns on me that: any thinking, reasonable and healthily socialized adult would identify
repetitive posting of the same thing over and over and over again
to the point of disrupting a thread
despite the repeated requests of the other "neighbors" on the thread to stop
in an almost adolescent taunting and incordial manner
is SPAM
Read the thread from the beginning, and try to read it as an unemotional outsider, and see what you think.
My question: what is the goal, when people are going to make up their own minds in their own time, and will likely be turned off by such behavior?
1) He has name recognition
2) Thus, he's a placeholder for everyone unhappy with Giuliani/Romney/McCain who doesn't know the other candidates. And that's MOST people, becuase, again, FR is not the Republican Party.
3) Whatever gains Hunter or Brownback or Tancredo eventually make, therefore, will come out of Newt's support.
4) The "Fantasy" I'm referring to is Newt winning a general election against any Bipedal Hominid the Democrats run. Newt has demonstrated electability in one fairly conservative Congressional district in Georgia, NOBODY wants a president named "Newt", people don't want to see Newt's face on TV or behind Presidential podiums, and much of the country either hates Newt or thinks he's a has-been joke.
And once again, though I hate having to point this out over and over, I don't understand how people cannot distinguish their personal opinion of a candidate from their opinion of how the great mass of other voters think about a candidate - you have to at least know or be able to understand the views of other people to understand what a hopeless candidate Newt is.
Isn't that the damn truth? They hate everything, including the GOP.
You are AWESOME!
What do you think of Michael Steele? Certainly not ready for Prez in '08, but for the future...
Did you ever notice that those same polls that the Rudy boosters like to cite keep showing Newt in either second or third place with 15-20%. For a "fantasy" who's not running he seems to be on a lot of Republican voters minds.
Last night it was on every page not just every thread and sometimes more than once on a page! I have never seen anything like it.
One of the better posts I've seen on these threads.
Oh I have a pretty good idea what s/he's up to
And it will only hurt FR
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