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"Would you help a man being beaten?"
Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 2/5/07 | Jeremy Vine

Posted on 02/05/2007 8:57:49 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

A warning before you read this. If you were the tousle-haired thirty-something who had seven bells knocked out of him on a Central Line Tube train outside Acton, west London, I am going to have to ask you to forgive me. My last memory of the event was your unsteady walk down that station platform. You were wiping the blood off your face; I was trying to wipe the whole thing from my mind.

[Jeremy Vine confesses: ‘I am not proud of my inaction on that Tube train’]

You and I were on the same Tube carriage. Sitting next to me was an attractive blonde. Opposite the woman was a strapping man in white T-shirt and jeans. You were standing a few feet away, and I think you must have seen what was happening the same instant I did: the man made contact with the girl.

It was only a touch on her knee at first. Since the knee was close to mine, I looked up from my book. The woman sank her face deeper into her magazine. I took in the details of his appearance as he leered at her. Fair hair prematurely thinning on top, clean shaven, jawline square as a shoebox, biceps like duck eggs.

"Hello darlin'," he was saying from the opposite seat. "Come on, love, give us a smile – beautiful girl like you, eh? Whazza matter?"

I frowned. An assertive frown was about as violent as things ever got in my home town of Cheam. The girl sank deeper into Marie Claire. "What's the matter, darling? You don't wan' any attention?" His hand was on her knee again.

And then salvation came in the form of East Acton station, the juddering halt, the rattle of the Tube doors pulling back, and – miracle – Neanderthal Man rising from his seat because it was his station. He dragged his knuckles off the train and the doors shut behind him. And you made your fatal mistake.

Once the doors were firmly closed, having seen the anxiety the female passenger had been caused, you did the public-spirited thing and flipped the yob a V-sign as he walked past the window. An appropriate end to the episode. Except the doors then drew open again.

The man jumped back into the Tube carriage and set about you with his fists. I remember hearing the crump of his knuckles into the side of your head, as well as the whimper of the London Underground guard who was hopping around in dismay at the end of the carriage (this was more than a decade ago, before they were replaced with cameras). Of the 30 people sitting around you, none came to your aid. You were on your knees, and the man was still pummelling. I grabbed my mobile to call the police – the station was above ground – but the battery died as I got through.

I had only one weapon. A 650-page biography of Oscar Wilde might have distracted the thug if inserted into his left ear with sufficient conviction. But while I weighed up the options, thinking too long and too hard, he was polishing off his brutal evening's work on your face. And then he was gone. With a swagger.

I have been thinking a lot about this incident recently, making a film for Panorama about when it's right to fight back. Why do we hesitate for so long; why are we super-cautious at the very moment when an instant response is needed? Why didn't I go in hard with my reading material and help a fellow citizen in distress?

In an uncharacteristic moment of joined-up thinking last year, the Home Office managed to leak one of its own initiatives. The slogan on the draftsman's board was: "Don't moan – take action – it's your street too." If the people around me on that Tube carriage were waiting for government permission to get stuck in, here, at last, they were getting it. But the leak caused a fuss from people who said ordinary citizens were in effect being asked to do their own policing – and what if some donned balaclavas and became vigilantes? The Home Office shelved the campaign.

When I met the minister, Tony McNulty, he was rigidly against personal intervention. If he saw an old woman being verbally abused in the street, I asked, what would he do?

"I think you should ring the police in the first instance," he said. "It may well be that simply shouting at them, blowing your horn or whatever, will deter them and they will go away."

So let's say the thug starts hitting her and the police haven't come. What do you do now?

"The same," the minister replied. "You must always get back to the police, try some distractive activities and whatever else."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: banglist; britain; guns; selfdefense; uk
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1 posted on 02/05/2007 8:57:51 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

The rest of the article is on the Telegraph website.


2 posted on 02/05/2007 8:59:35 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

Mr. Vine did exactly what his government has ordered him to do.


3 posted on 02/05/2007 9:00:01 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Between the sexual harrassment of the young woman on the train, and the obnoxious hand gesture, it sounds like the guy got a much-deserved ass-beating.

Why didn't Mr. High-and-Mighty step in when the "gentleman" was feeling up his seatmate?

4 posted on 02/05/2007 9:02:12 AM PST by Malacoda (A day without a pi$$ed-off muslim is like a day without sunshine.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

I've been on NYC subways all my life. If some guy was pulling this crap, he would be dealt with my others.


5 posted on 02/05/2007 9:03:28 AM PST by tarnak
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Mr. Vine

did exactly what most "police spokespersons" in these United States recommend.

Dial 911.

And die.

6 posted on 02/05/2007 9:03:46 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Malacoda

You got it wrong. The "feeler upper", when flipped off by a fellow rider for doing the "feeling", came back and beat up the fellow rider.


7 posted on 02/05/2007 9:04:17 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: kiriath_jearim

"A 650-page biography of Oscar Wilde"

LOL! Well there ya go!


8 posted on 02/05/2007 9:04:31 AM PST by To Hell With Poverty (If this city were any 'bluer', it'd be spelled 'bleu'.)
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To: Malacoda

The man who was beaten was not the molester. The one who did the beating was.


9 posted on 02/05/2007 9:05:30 AM PST by CholeraJoe (The only Americans who need to know where Syria is are the navigators on the bombers.)
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To: Wolfie; CholeraJoe
Ah! I did misunderstand.

I still don't understand why the feeler-upper didn't get his ass handed to him, though.

I saw a guy get thrashed righteously on a Philly SEPTA train for that once. The whole car cheered.

10 posted on 02/05/2007 9:07:40 AM PST by Malacoda (A day without a pi$$ed-off muslim is like a day without sunshine.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

My brother and I had a similar incident in a Metro station while visiting D.C. A guy was attempting to throw a woman off the platform into the tracks. My brother and I stepped in and stopped him and separated the two. We then got on a train just as security arrived.

A passenger who got on the train with us informed us that the guy had been beating up the woman because she had sold drugs to his 12 year old kid.

What a great day.


11 posted on 02/05/2007 9:10:12 AM PST by FateAmenableToChange
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To: Malacoda
Guy A was feeling up the girl. Guy B gave Guy A the finger. Guy C wonders what he should have done.

If Guy B would have stepped in right away, I think he might have gotten more support from those around him. As it was, he got beat up for flipping someone off, not for defending the girl. Different set of circumstances there.

12 posted on 02/05/2007 9:10:17 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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Too true. Typically liberal. Do nothing, depend on the government. Our govt espouses that sort of nonsense as well.


13 posted on 02/05/2007 9:11:02 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: kiriath_jearim

650-page biography of Oscar Wilde? Okay, now we know why HE didn't react.......to the woman........


14 posted on 02/05/2007 9:11:33 AM PST by Red Badger (Rachel Carson is responsible for more deaths than Adolf Hitler...............)
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To: kiriath_jearim
To paraphrase the Bard: "Socialism doth make cowards of us all."

When you depend on the government for your livelihood, you depend on the government for you manhood, too. Poor blighter...

15 posted on 02/05/2007 9:13:23 AM PST by timpad (The Wizard Tim - Keeper of the Holy Hand Grenade, Finder of Obscurata)
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To: kiriath_jearim

The only thing I could do would be to use a cell phone to call the police while taking pictures of all that I could.


16 posted on 02/05/2007 9:14:02 AM PST by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: Red Badger
650-page biography of Oscar Wilde? Okay, now we know why HE didn't react.......to the woman........

Indeed, the only way this writer could come off as more of a sissy would be to add, "Oh, and I was wearing a flowery sundress."

17 posted on 02/05/2007 9:16:39 AM PST by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: robertpaulsen
Guy A was feeling up the girl. Guy B gave Guy A the finger. Guy C wonders what he should have done.

Guy D (Laz) whips out his Glock Model 27 and orders Guy A to drop to Platform E or bullets F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M and O will penetrate skull P.

18 posted on 02/05/2007 9:17:07 AM PST by Lazamataz (You are not your mind. You are not your emotions. You are not your pain. All you are is love.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
The author, Mr. Vine, mistakes being passive for a pacifist. Many liberals will gladly tell you how morally superior they are because they are 'passive'. But ask them what they would do if something, like the grope in the article, happened to one of their loved ones, and they nearly leap out their skin protesting their rights. Sadly they will saddle society with heinous rules to saddle their own sense of their self worth while letting those how need to be punished go with a stern check from the government. Notice how the article ends up centered on the problem Mr. Vine had from HIS having to see the grope/beating and not on the woman or the man. How dare they inflict their problems on him; Probably put him right off his Oscar Wilde.
19 posted on 02/05/2007 9:17:25 AM PST by pikachu (Support Global Warming by buying future beach front property in Denver today!)
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To: Lazamataz

lol! Thanks for the smile!


20 posted on 02/05/2007 9:18:07 AM PST by The Blitherer (Duncan Hunter for President '08!)
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