Posted on 02/02/2007 8:55:08 AM PST by dashing doofus
Who, on average, is better paid—public school teachers or architects? How about teachers or economists? You might be surprised to learn that public school teachers are better paid than these and many other professionals. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, public school teachers earned $34.06 per hour in 2005, 36% more than the hourly wage of the average white-collar worker and 11% more than the average professional specialty or technical worker
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Like, say, every other job in the world?
Congratulations on being with a good teacher, who believes that the teacher is best qualified to grade papers. My kids (in college now) were in a highly regarded school district, yet most grading was done in class by passing the papers to other kids to mark up. My daughter had a lot of problems with other kids marking her answers wrong when they were right, and the teachers would even get annoyed at her asking them to check it. It worked better for my academically lazy son, where his 'buds' would mark his answers right regardless. Our well-paid teachers considered this an appropriate educational method.
"Yes, bash the teachers, but don't take it personally."
Right.
You talk about babysitting and brain washing and those that perpetuate it and teachers just aren't supposed to take it personally?
Only compared to baby sitters who get $10 per hour for one kid.
Actually the danger is just the opposite. Without job security, bennies, etc. teachers would be prone to the same market forces as any other job in the world.
The best teachers would go to those districts that could afford to pay the most.
Sorry you see it that way. Perhaps we are talking about different things. I am talking about the highest cost education system in the world that turns out the dumbest and most morally confused students in the world. What were you talking about?
If you can't get through an education major in 4 years you have bigger problems than can be solved on this discusion thread. $20,000/yr tuition for a "teachers" college is pure b.s. also.
You mean Switzerland?
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_pri_tea_sal_sta-education-primary-teacher-salary-starting
Rank Countries Amount (top to bottom)
#1 Switzerland: $33,209.00
#2 Germany: $29,697.00
#3 Denmark: $28,140.00
#4 Netherlands: $25,896.00
#5 United States: $25,707.00
#6 Australia: $25,661.00
#7 Spain: $24,464.00
#8 Norway: $22,194.00
#9 Ireland: $21,940.00
#10 Austria: $21,804.00
#11 Iceland: $19,939.00
#12 France: $19,761.00
#13 Greece: $19,327.00
#14 Italy: $19,188.00
#15 Portugal: $18,751.00
#16 Sweden: $18,581.00
#17 Finland: $18,110.00
#18 New Zealand: $16,678.00
#19 Mexico: $10,465.00
#20 Turkey: $9,116.00
#21 Czech Republic: $6,806.00
#22 Hungary: $5,763.00
Total: $441,197.00
Weighted average: $20,054.41
The blanket statements that get made on threads such as this.
Example:
"am talking about the highest cost education system in the world that turns out the dumbest and most morally confused students in the world."
No one spends more on "education" than the US.
Well, yeah. We're a developed nation with the third largest population in the world. So we have a lot more kids to educate than say, Italy or England. And, our infrastructure is more advanced than China or India. So, yes, in total we do spend more on education.
More per pupil. Try to twist that one.
Do you have a source?
In California, it takes a BA (4-year degree) plus one more year for your credential--plus continuing education to keep your credential.
That summer vacation is a period of unemployment--without pay or "unemployment insurance."
No, teachers are not underpaid, even if you conveniently remember that when they are not working they are not getting paid, a fact disguised by the fact that their salaries are probated over the summer. But money is not everything. Although NEA once pressed the fiction that teachers are professionals, any socilogist will tell you that they are actually semi-professionals. By law they are "mere employees" and as such cannot decide
who they will teach, or what or how. The lowiest engineer has more autonomy than the best educated, most experienced school teacher, because, at least can decide when he can go to the bathroom. Teachers, by and large, don't even have that freedom.
No, they don't. Their pay is prorated over the summer.
Oh yes they do.
Oh, no they do not.
There's no time while rolling around in all of that dough they're stealing from the taxpayers. Luckily, since they are so darned wealthy, they can hire some lower-paid person like a doctor or a dentist to do the grading for them. < / s >
Are teachers underpaid? Absolutely not. They are paid exactly what they contracted for. If not, then they have the option of filing a lawsuit for contract violation.
Teachers' choice: Sue or whine. Or quit and get a job that doesn't give them an excuse to whine.
IOW, exactly the same as any other job.
(P. S. Teachers are Exempt Employees. That means they're exempt from federal and state overtime regulations . . . just like the CEO of ExxonMobile. LOL.)
WOW!!! May I ask where this is????
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