Posted on 01/30/2007 5:41:01 AM PST by areafiftyone
COLUMBUS, Ohio - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton holds a strong lead over other Democratic presidential contenders in a new poll of voters in Ohio, the closely divided swing state that tipped the 2004 election for President Bush.
Former New York Mayor Rudy Guiliani, who appeared in TV ads and at fundraisers during last year's gubernatorial race, is the favorite among the state's Republican voters, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released Tuesday. He is favored by 30 percent of voters surveyed compared to 22 percent for Sen. John McCain, 11 percent for former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and 4 percent for former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.
Among Ohio Democrats, 38 percent pick Clinton, 13 percent pick Sen. Barack Obama, 11 percent pick former vice presidential candidate John Edwards, and 6 percent would vote for former Vice President Al Gore. Ohio's own Rep. Dennis Kucinich gets just 2 percent of the vote, or less than the survey's margin of error.
"Those who say Sen. Hillary Clinton can't win the White House because she can't win a key swing state like Ohio might rethink their assumption," said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.
The institute polled 1,305 registered Ohio voters by phone from last Tuesday to Sunday. The results have a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points. When results are broken down by party, the margin of error rises to plus or minus 4 percentage points for Democrats, and plus or minus 5 percentage points for Republicans.
Though she holds a strong early lead within her own party, Clinton also faces the strongest bloc of voters among the early contenders - 38 percent - who dislike her, perhaps explaining why she did not beat the poll's margin of error in any of the head-to-head match-ups tested.
The survey found hypothetical contests between Clinton and Guiliani, Clinton and McCain, Obama and McCain, and Edwards and McCain all within the margin of error.
"Given their stronger overall image, Mayor Guiliani and Sen. McCain would seem to have the potential to improve their standing," Brown said. "That might be much more difficult for Sen. Clinton because of the larger number of voters who don't like her."
The poll also found that 60 percent of Ohio voters oppose Bush's plan to send 22,000 additional troops into Iraq. Fifty-six percent say going to war in Iraq was wrong, and 65 percent dislike Bush's handling of the situation.
Rudy pushed Kerik for head of DHS. Without apparently vetting him.
The Dems will use that to negate much of Rudy's advantage regarding the WOT. They can claim that Rudy was more interested in cronyism over competence in pushing Kerik for the most critical anti-terror job in the country.
The existence of a bunch of primaries early on makes large scale financial resources MORE critical not less. Large tv buys will be necessary to win any of these primaries. Iowa and NH will have little significance in the long haul.
TRue enough if you need saturation advertising to convince large portions of the base that you are a conservative despite your past positions.
Bernie Kerik is inconsequential and not one in a hundred could even tell you who he is with even fewer knowing what he did. He wasn't charged with any crime or impeached. So what is the significance of Rudy hiring a sleaseball to the average man who will rather concentrate on Rudy's ability to confront our enemies.
Someone like Hunter does not need $100 million dollars to convince pubbies that he is a conservative despite his record.
Kerik was not charged with incompetence but porking a broad outside Holy wedlock.
And in any case it was not his job to vet him for the President. This was merely a minor embarassment which not even the Rudy hating media will be able to effectively use.
Hunter does not need the money to convince the base he is a conservative he needs it to show it that he EXISTS.
My gawd. Kerik was what, police commissioner under Rudy? A business partner of Rudy's? And Rudy, in pushing him for head of DHS, COULDN'T EVEN MAKE SURE HE WAS CLEAN?
I love how Rudy always gets all the credit but none of the blame.
Oh, give conservative alt media a few months.
Kerik's love life was of no concern to Guiliani. The guy did a good job for him and that was why he recommended the guy. I don't think Hillary will want this to get into who was loving who and what happened to them. Kerik's bimbo did not wind up in a park somewhere did she?
It was his love life? You sound just like the Clintonistas rationalizing Bill's perjury as saying it was just lies about sex while omitting the detail that he was under oath at the time.
Kerik did a lot of crooked stuff to mask his affairs. THAT is what did him in.
And Rudy never noticed for years that Kerik was corrupt - to the point of making him commish and then having him as a business partner.
And THIS is the guy to lead the battle to ferret out terrorist attacks? A guy who couldn't even figure out how corrupt a key associate was?
I hope he does better than I think he will but I just think the electorate is not that conservative.
Where are the corruption charges against Kerik? If they were as egregious as you claim he should be in court.
It's a fair question as to whether Hunter can win the general election. However, I think that Hunter can leverage popular appeal within the GOP to overcome SOME level of a cash gap. He will still need a good amount of money. But word-of-mouth also is working well for him in the brief period of time he has been running. And the new media and internet allow that to be leveraged quite a bit.
And if Hunter wins the nomination against the current crop of Dems, he will have the upper hand in winning back Reagan Democrats. That, IMO, is the wildcard in play no matter who wins the GOP nomination - can he bring them back to the party while holding the base?
The source here is Wiki, but I believe it is accurate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Kerik
...questions regarding Kerik's sale of stock in Taser International shortly before the release of an Amnesty International report critical of the company's stun-gun product; a sexual harassment lawsuit; an affair with Judith Regan; allegations of misuse of police personnel and property for personal benefit; connections with a construction company suspected of having ties to organized crime; and failure to comply with ethics rules on gifts.[1]
On June 30, 2006, after an eighteen month investigation conducted by the Bronx District Attorney's Office, Kerik pled guilty to two ethics violations (unclassified misdemeanors) and was ordered to pay $221,000 in fines at the 10-minute hearing.[2]
That was my take on that line as well. The Giuliani beats Hillary and McCain comes close, but all within the margin of error.
Please don't try speaking for me. Your logic is childish at best, and boorishly ignorant at its worst.
When I said 'Hunter is the candidate that the dem's fear the most,' it's because the dems' don't match up well against a real conservative with his strong military background.
Can you imagine Hillary or Obama debating Hunter on National security? I think it would be game over for the dem's.
"On June 30, 2006, after an eighteen month investigation conducted by the [zealous prosecutors], [In order to make the pest go away ]Kerik pled guilty to two ethics violations (unclassified misdemeanors) and was ordered to pay $221,000 in fines at the 10-minute hearing."
Kerik having misdemeanors will hurt Guiliani? Not that I can see.
Even if Hunter doubles the number of those willing to vote for him he still is not in the running. He would have to multiply that number by 1 or 2000%.
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