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To: UpAllNight
These guys have never been to a country where the government really treats their citizens badly. As my wife says, everyone should live in one for a few years and they will come blessing hour great our country is.

It isn't that we don't think our country is great, it's that we don't think it's as free as it used to be. In many countries it is the norm to have to go to the government hat-in-hand and beg for what you need, and risk being killed for doing so. Nonetheless, In this country you didn't used to have to get government permission to do things on your property. If you wanted a deck, you built it; if you wanted everyone to keep out, you posted it and the law upheld it; if you wanted lights on outside, or didn't, you did what you wanted. Compare that to today, where in most placed you need to ask government permission to build a deck (building permits); need government permission to post it (sign ordinances) and can't count on pressing charges against anyone who does trespass; some places you are required to keep a pole light on in front of your house at all times for public safety, while in other places you are prohibited from having outside lights on because of animal habits. That's not the freedom we used to have - the Nanny State was never intended to be here. In a relatively short time (my lifetime, and I'm only 48) we've gone from a presumption that you had the right to your property to a presumption that government should have control of your property. How far will it go? Will we end up as one of the countries where you have to fear for your life when you go to ask the government permission to grow a garden? We are angry at the path we are on.

224 posted on 01/27/2007 7:47:42 PM PST by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: Kay Ludlow

--Nonetheless, In this country you didn't used to have to get government permission to do things on your property. If you wanted a deck, you built it; --

Yea. One time we could keep a bunch of rusted junk cars, old tire and woodpiles around. To heck with our neighbors, it was our right!

Realistically, some communities do go overboard but for the most part, we live in these communities because we believe that these regulations enhance our life and improve our property values.


229 posted on 01/27/2007 7:57:28 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: Kay Ludlow

""Will we end up as one of the countries where you have to fear for your life when you go to ask the government permission to grow a garden? We are angry at the path we are on.""

Timothy McVeigh probably thought alot like you do and that was a real blow for freedom was'nt it? Did you celebrate Oklahoma City like they did 9/11 in the streets of Lebanon?

People who feel this strongly should take up their argument with those in charge not the poor drones who simply try to earn a living and go home to their families.

McVeigh was acting out on the kind of anger you possess. All those dead people and what did he change or win for his cause?

You celebrate the murder of two men who probably had families of their own by an obviously mentally deranged man over a sewer line easement?

A real blow for freedom? I think not.

Sick.


233 posted on 01/27/2007 8:13:17 PM PST by volunbeer (Dear heaven.... we really need President Reagan again!)
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