Posted on 01/27/2007 1:36:11 PM PST by tpaine
The path we've travelled finally landed us in the briar patch. Governments abused their power to take land by process, payment, and purpose. People abused the courts by holding up needed projects with frivolous lawsuits to can extort the system. Corrupt officials and citizens used the power of eminent domain for personal enrichment.
Now how do we fix it? I could tell you how to amend the US Constitution to mitigate the damage done by rogue courts, but I haven't got even a guess how to force governments to treat people with respect and pay them approprately for their land.
No, I don't think he did. I use my anger to fuel my political involvement, because I don't think violence is the answer - although like our Founding Fathers I think violence should continue to be a last resort against overbearing government.
While I agree that the guy running the backhoe likely was not an appropriate target (I don't know how closely he may have been involved in the decision-making - in some very small municipalities they all are), I also know that there are many paid staff on local government who do say things like "we are the township - we can do what we want". Those people view being in local government as a way to create a new kind of society, and I am not on board with that. They may be employees but they are calling the shots when they are advising the elected board members on what to do - and the 'do nothing' option is never mentioned.
I cried the day the Murrah Building was attacked, the same as on 9/11. I'm not 100% certain that Tim McVeigh acted alone as an anti-government US citizen, or if he was involved with foreign agents acting for other reason.s
Thanks, I am glad that somebody gave more information about this.
I live in the country, about 9 miles out. Something similar happened to my neighbors. A large lake was constructed about 40 years ago to furnish water for several small towns. I remember all the talk about how much my town needed the water. The lake is located about 60 miles away. The lake was built and several towns are using water from it. My town never hooked up to the lake.
About 25 years ago, people in our water department started talking about needing to build a local lake to furnish water for the town. Several different locations were suggested. One was proposed that was not populated and would not cause any problems. Several of the big money people owned property that would have lakeside access on another location and would have made a lot of money. There was a special election, nobody even mentioned the first lake, and the lake was to be built. The head of the local water department owned a construction business and his company did most of the work. Several of my neighbors lost most of their land. A couple lost their houses. The town offered to buy the land for well below its actual value. They refused and were informed that the county would condemn the land and pay the property owners less than was offered the first time.
One neighbor took the water commission to court and did get more money. Another neighbor threw the water department people off his land and told them that he would kill anybody that trespassed on his land. Some kind of deal was reached since he was able to build another house a hundred yards away.
--I'm on the shooter's side and kind of respect three for four with an SKS at 85+ yards.--
Please respect the FR guidelines.
It makes it hard to fix the problem when the guy shoots to kill when you go out there.
Uh...I just said that.
If the employer doesn't like the contents of the car, then the car doesn't get into the parking lot.
Don't bother t with reality.
-I have to wonder how many people could calmly accept having the neighborhood's raw sewage pumped into their yard.--
I wonder how many nuts are out there like you that condone shooting those that come to repair the problems.
Don't bother t with reality. I won't. I agree with the GA law, he agrees with it and you probably do also. Aren't we a happy group?
That's BS and you know it.
You have the right to decide what you want to carry in your car, and the employer has the right to make his decision on whether you get to park on his lot based on what you freely decided to carry in your car.
You also have the right to refuse to work for a company that does not allow your car on their lot based on the car's contents.
Freedom belongs to both the employee and the employer, not just to the employee.
--Read the story. The city was dissatisfied with the existing easement. They wanted a larger or wider easement or easement in a different location on the property. If he didn't want to grant the easement, the city should not be able to serve him (actually his wife) with notice the night before that they're coming in the morning to take it anyway, whether you like it or agree or not.--
The wife is as much the owner as he is, most probably, and thus they served it properly. Or don't you believe in the equality of women? The part about a larger, new easement was refuted about 250 posts ago.
--My own experiences with government reinforce my belief that most governments in this nation treat people as though they exist to make life convenient for the officials. I expect that the local planning board never even tried to talk to this guy, they just resolved what they wanted to do and did it.--
You presume wrong.
--I'm not changing my own response, but I wish I'd stayed out of it entirely. --
You can always notify the moderator to remove your post and that wasy less will see your support for this murderer.
--A jury might not have viewed it that way after hearing the evidence of harassment by the city and the way they went about taking part of his property for their own use.--
You are right. Anything can happen. I saw the OJ trial also.
"but killing these working men for "the principle" of the ability to act at will and without need for justification" is beyond rationality."
without speaking to him, would you say he was "beyond rationality", insane?
do you know all the circumstances that led up to the incident? do you know what the attitude of the "working men" was during and before the incident?
did all this happen in a vacuum, with no justification for his action?
it seems that he paid the ultimate price for his actions based upon principle.
to call the man insane is arrogant, callous and brutish at best.
The 'guy' worked nights. He got off work at 5 AM. The city crew showed up at 7 AM.
God only knows how many 'negotiations' were attempted while the man would normally have been sleeping.
Anyone else here have more than a passing familliarity with sleep deprivation?
What is not being said is what would be dug up, either, but the bottom line is that despite the warning, the city folks just went ahead and moved in. He only did what he said he would.
I wonder what, if any concessions were made to try to work with the guy?
--Maybe I missed something here but the article seems to indicate that they were installing a NEW line in a NEW route.--
On the existing easement.
--He only did what he said he would.--
Sad that so many here support murder.
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