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Hollywood students clash on whether Confederate-themed clothing should be banned
Sun Sentinel ^ | 1/26/07 | Douane D. James

Posted on 01/26/2007 11:28:54 AM PST by Patriot28

A petition drive to get Confederate-themed clothing banned from school grounds has exposed a rift at Hollywood Hills High. The episode may lead the Broward School Board to examine whether its student conduct code should address the Confederate flag.

Sophomore Ilana Hostyk started a petition this week at Hollywood Hills in hopes of pressing officials to ban the symbol, considered a show of Rebel pride by some and a reminder of Southern race-based prejudice by others.

"My whole goal is to ban the Confederate flag from Broward schools," said Hostyk, 15. "People are really offended by it."

Hostyk, who is Jewish, said student display of the flag on campus has caused tension between white, black and Jewish students. About 2,200 students are enrolled at Hollywood Hills. About 41 percent are white, 20 percent black and 35 percent Hispanic, according to district records.

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To: Patriot28

"My whole goal is to ban the Confederate flag from Broward schools," said Hostyk, 15. "People are really offended by it."

Why does the little fascist place more value with the opinions of those who oppose? This isn't about a flag or "people", it's about a self-centered, elitist little ingnorant b1+(h.


21 posted on 01/26/2007 12:31:54 PM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: groanup

Jews, Hispanics, Blacks, Irish, and others fought for the Confederacy. This student ought to take the opportunity to study the colorful history of FLA rather than rewrite it.


22 posted on 01/26/2007 12:32:27 PM PST by stainlessbanner ("I cannot be destroyed. I cannot be silenced. I cannot be compromised." - The Nuge)
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To: durasell

BAD JOKE, VERY BAD JOKE ;(


23 posted on 01/26/2007 12:36:18 PM PST by marine86297 (I'll never forgive Clinton for Somalia, my blood is on his hands)
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To: marine86297

Look, I've got some General William Tecumseh Sherman t-shirts in all sizes, if you're interested.


24 posted on 01/26/2007 12:38:19 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Patriot28

I went to high school in the south. At our pep rallies, the band would play dixie, the bletchers were full of white, black, and hispanic confederate flag waving kids giving rebel yells. None of us were offended, but we sure were fired up. YeeeeeHA!! Your right, the war was not about racisim, it was about "States Rights"!!!


25 posted on 01/26/2007 12:39:48 PM PST by Msgt USMC (Lead, follow, or get the heck outta the way!)
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To: Msgt USMC

I take a wild guess and say that was prior to the time everyone took a notion to be offended by everything.


26 posted on 01/26/2007 12:41:58 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Patriot28
Here's the tolerant little student:

I'll bet her parents (and probably their little scholar) are transplants from a few hundred miles north of Broward county.

27 posted on 01/26/2007 12:43:00 PM PST by Darnright
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To: durasell

Keep pushin it durasell...

On second thought, I could use a couple hundred of those Sherman shirts for cleaning up after my Rottweiler's messes ;)


28 posted on 01/26/2007 12:53:55 PM PST by marine86297 (I'll never forgive Clinton for Somalia, my blood is on his hands)
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To: Darnright

She looks a little old to be 15.


29 posted on 01/26/2007 1:28:04 PM PST by Andy'smom
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To: Andy'smom
It would make more sense to ban Che shirts first but what is the chance of that happening in Hollywood? Although it is ironic that folks in Hollywood still dig the whole Che/Castro thing considering what they both have done and still do to artists and homosexuals.
30 posted on 01/26/2007 1:41:30 PM PST by Rodney Kings Brain ("veritas odium parit" - "truth begets hatred")
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To: stainlessbanner
Sounds like another attempt by the PC crowd to ban our beloved symbol
31 posted on 01/26/2007 1:50:11 PM PST by StoneWall Brigade (THIS IS THE CALL OF THIS GENERATION. THIS IS AMERICA'S HOUR. SEN. RICK SANTORUM)
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To: Patriot28
Patriot28 wrote:
"I'd tell them the war was not about racisim, but whats the point?"


The anti-USA states said that they were dying for slavery before they said that they weren't dying for slavery. Let's ask the "South" before its pride and fall. Here's one of the transcripts. Emphasis on the real issue of the rebel states in the Civil War is made with bold font in the following.

Transcript from the The Avalon Project at Yale:

Declarations of Secession

Confederate States of America
A Declaration of the Causes which Impel the State of Texas to Secede from the Federal Union.

The government of the United States, by certain joint resolutions, bearing date the 1st day of March, in the year A.D. 1845, proposed to the Republic of Texas, then a free, sovereign and independent nation, the annexation of the latter to the former, as one of the co-equal states thereof,

The people of Texas, by deputies in convention assembled, on the fourth day of July of the same year, assented to and accepted said proposals and formed a constitution for the proposed State, upon which on the 29th day of December in the same year, said State was formally admitted into the Confederated Union.

Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?

The controlling majority of the Federal Government, under various pretences and disguises, has so administered the same as to exclude the citizens of the Southern States, unless under odious and unconstitutional restrictions, from all the immense territory owned in common by all the States on the Pacific Ocean, for the avowed purpose of acquiring sufficient power in the common government to use it as a means of destroying the institutions of Texas and her sister slaveholding States.

By the disloyalty of the Northern States and their citizens and the imbecility of the Federal Government, infamous combinations of incendiaries and outlaws have been permitted in those States and the common territory of Kansas to trample upon the federal laws, to war upon the lives and property of Southern citizens in that territory, and finally, by violence and mob law, to usurp the possession of the same as exclusively the property of the Northern States.

The Federal Government, while but partially under the control of these our unnatural and sectional enemies, has for years almost entirely failed to protect the lives and property of the people of Texas against the Indian savages on our border, and more recently against the murderous forays of banditti from the neighboring territory of Mexico; and when our State government has expended large amounts for such purpose, the Federal Government has refuse reimbursement therefor, thus rendering our condition more insecure and harassing than it was during the existence of the Republic of Texas.

These and other wrongs we have patiently borne in the vain hope that a returning sense of justice and humanity would induce a different course of administration.

When we advert to the course of individual non-slave-holding States, and that a majority of their citizens, our grievances assume far greater magnitude.

The States of Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan and Iowa, by solemn legislative enactments, have deliberately, directly or indirectly violated the 3rd clause of the 2nd section of the 4th article [the fugitive slave clause] of the federal constitution, and laws passed in pursuance thereof; thereby annulling a material provision of the compact, designed by its framers to perpetuate the amity between the members of the confederacy and to secure the rights of the slave-holding States in their domestic institutions-- a provision founded in justice and wisdom, and without the enforcement of which the compact fails to accomplish the object of its creation. Some of those States have imposed high fines and degrading penalties upon any of their citizens or officers who may carry out in good faith that provision of the compact, or the federal laws enacted in accordance therewith.

In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-- a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.

For years past this abolition organization has been actively sowing the seeds of discord through the Union, and has rendered the federal congress the arena for spreading firebrands and hatred between the slave-holding and non-slave-holding States.

By consolidating their strength, they have placed the slave-holding States in a hopeless minority in the federal congress, and rendered representation of no avail in protecting Southern rights against their exactions and encroachments.

They have proclaimed, and at the ballot box sustained, the revolutionary doctrine that there is a 'higher law' than the constitution and laws of our Federal Union, and virtually that they will disregard their oaths and trample upon our rights.

They have for years past encouraged and sustained lawless organizations to steal our slaves and prevent their recapture, and have repeatedly murdered Southern citizens while lawfully seeking their rendition.

They have invaded Southern soil and murdered unoffending citizens, and through the press their leading men and a fanatical pulpit have bestowed praise upon the actors and assassins in these crimes, while the governors of several of their States have refused to deliver parties implicated and indicted for participation in such offenses, upon the legal demands of the States aggrieved.

They have, through the mails and hired emissaries, sent seditious pamphlets and papers among us to stir up servile insurrection and bring blood and carnage to our firesides.

They have sent hired emissaries among us to burn our towns and distribute arms and poison to our slaves for the same purpose.

They have impoverished the slave-holding States by unequal and partial legislation, thereby enriching themselves by draining our substance.

They have refused to vote appropriations for protecting Texas against ruthless savages, for the sole reason that she is a slave-holding State.

And, finally, by the combined sectional vote of the seventeen non-slave-holding States, they have elected as president and vice-president of the whole confederacy two men whose chief claims to such high positions are their approval of these long continued wrongs, and their pledges to continue them to the final consummation of these schemes for the ruin of the slave-holding States.

In view of these and many other facts, it is meet that our own views should be distinctly proclaimed.

We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.

That in this free government all white men are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights; that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations; while the destruction of the existing relations between the two races, as advocated by our sectional enemies, would bring inevitable calamities upon both and desolation upon the fifteen slave-holding states.

By the secession of six of the slave-holding States, and the certainty that others will speedily do likewise, Texas has no alternative but to remain in an isolated connection with the North, or unite her destinies with the South.

For these and other reasons, solemnly asserting that the federal constitution has been violated and virtually abrogated by the several States named, seeing that the federal government is now passing under the control of our enemies to be diverted from the exalted objects of its creation to those of oppression and wrong, and realizing that our own State can no longer look for protection, but to God and her own sons-- We the delegates of the people of Texas, in Convention assembled, have passed an ordinance dissolving all political connection with the government of the United States of America and the people thereof and confidently appeal to the intelligence and patriotism of the freemen of Texas to ratify the same at the ballot box, on the 23rd day of the present month.

Adopted in Convention on the 2nd day of Feby, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-one and of the independence of Texas the twenty-fifth.


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32 posted on 01/26/2007 2:12:24 PM PST by familyop ("G-d is on our side because he hates the Yanks." --St. Tuco, in the "Good, the Bad, and the Ugly")
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To: lovecraft
As a Southerner and a product of our public school system, I guarantee she has. It took getting out of school and a lot of individual research to figure out that everything that is taught about American History (then and today) either ignores the truth or downright misrepresents it.

As General Cleburne said " The victors write the history " The history in our schools isn't the history we in the south were taught by our grand parents.

33 posted on 01/26/2007 3:16:39 PM PST by righthand man (WE'RE SOUTHERN AND PROUD OF IT)
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To: durasell

North: 1
South: 0

Halftime.


34 posted on 01/26/2007 3:40:12 PM PST by Nasty McPhilthy (Those who beat their swords into plow shears….will plow for those who don’t.)
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To: RexBeach
"Why do you think the war was fought?"

It was initially about the right of secession, and the right of sovereign States to determine their own destiny (States rights). But then seeing as how Lincln didn't believe in State Sovereignty (in contravention to the Founders beliefs) and slavery was a political hot potato, Lincoln being a consummate liar (i.e. politician) decided (to gain popularity and support for his aggressive invasion of the Southern States) that he needed to emancipate the slaves. This of course set well with the die-hard Yankee abolitionists. And so it goes.

35 posted on 01/26/2007 3:56:58 PM PST by Colt .45 (Navy Veteran - Thermo-Nuclear Landscapers Inc. "Need a change of scenery? We deliver!")
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To: Patriot28

Sounds like she is trying to stoke anti-semitism so she can claim to be a victim. Perhaps she should just move to the Gaza strip to save time and effort.


36 posted on 01/26/2007 4:00:51 PM PST by PAR35
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To: stainlessbanner; All
HollyWeird Sux!
Click the Pic J

37 posted on 01/26/2007 4:32:51 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Fiddlstix

I agree with what you posted about Hollywood, but there is a Broward County (source of problems in the 2000 Election) and a Sun-Sentinel in Florida. Could the mentioned "Hollywood Hills" school also be in Florida?


38 posted on 01/26/2007 6:13:12 PM PST by familyop ("G-d is on our side because he hates the Yanks." --St. Tuco, in the "Good, the Bad, and the Ugly")
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To: RexBeach

Seems to suggest the civil war has descended into a quagmire and GWB has no exit strategy for it. LOL ;-)


39 posted on 01/26/2007 9:20:21 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: familyop

It is. It's Hollywood Florida we're talking about. Where the dead vote, and vote democrat. But I agree with the sentiment.


40 posted on 01/27/2007 5:47:14 AM PST by Patriot28 (1775-2006 Celebrating 231 years of excellence! Semper Fi my brothers!)
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