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To: jveritas

You are wrong and stop lying about what the President said. His plan was hated by the democrats as you noticed from this reaction because it has less government control and more tax breaks, it is an excellent healthcare plan.

Geez, I hate having to deal with a Bushbot, but....
Yes, this plan doesn't involve more gov't control, however it does. If you have a good health plan through a company you work for, in particular if you retired with a good health benefit plan (after working for it most of your life), if your benefit plan is better than the set amount of 7,500 for a single, and a set amount for a family (I think it was around 14,500 or thereabouts) according to Bush's plan, in other words, your employer pays more than the set amounts for your policy, then you will be taxed on your health plan (THAT'S YOU!!!) because it is considered too good. There's your gov't interference, through the tax code. Then that taxed money will be REDISTRIBUTED to folks who don't have health plans in the form of tax breaks by the GOV'T so that they can go buy their own insurance plan. So, it's the more wealthy, with good plans, who will end up financing, through the tax code, the new plans the poorer folks will go and buy with their TAX BREAKS! Some deal, huh? I'll give you an example, myself. I worked my tail off for many years at a public institution (University), that didn't pay exceptionally well, but the "prize" at the end of my worklife was to have a decent benefit package, which was part of my pay earned year after year. Now Bush comes along, and if my employer paid more than 7,500 for my individual plan, I will be taxed for any amount over that 7,500. Unless, of course, I go out and pay for a new plan myself that will be cheaper than 7,500, and probably have a lot less benefits. This leaves all big corporations and businesses off the hook for healthcare costs, which I am sure they will all love, and which will please that constituency that Bush is beholden to, namely big business. This stinks, and a lot of you out there will be penalized too if you have a good health plan. Too good, according to Bush, and therefore subject to taxes. So, don't you guys get it? It's another tax hike on the rich to redistribute to the poor. Geez, wake up you guys. Just about everything Bush vaguely, because he's just spouting platitudes to the Dems, is a big gov't set of ideas. Legalizing illegal immigration, so all the illegals will then have all the benefits of citizenship, including SS, etc. (amnesty), gov't interference via the IRS in health benefits, environmental standards that will penalize the auto industry and raise your and my cost of purchasing a car. Oh yeah, the acorn didn't fall far from the tree. Bush is such a disappointment.


1,218 posted on 01/23/2007 6:48:51 PM PST by flaglady47 (thinking out loud)
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To: flaglady47
Bush is such a disappointment.

He is a human being like the rest of us. If you expect perfection from everyone, you're in for quite a lot of disappointment, I'm afraid.

1,286 posted on 01/23/2007 6:51:13 PM PST by Fudd Fan (Liberal RATs will get us all killed.)
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To: flaglady47

Chill on the attack on jveritas. He is a Patriot. He has translated more of the documents from Iraq than all the media combined has.


1,331 posted on 01/23/2007 6:53:14 PM PST by mware (By all that you hold dear.. on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: flaglady47

Watch how you talk to my brother. It's one thing to say he was wrong but liar is a strong word, and a Bushbot he is not. Your breakdown was sufficient.


1,344 posted on 01/23/2007 6:53:43 PM PST by AliVeritas (Stop Global Dhimming. Demand testicular fortitude from the hill. Call the crusade.)
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To: flaglady47

It's become painfully clear today too few people do not understand the tax code and how this plan is going to affect them. Now I understand how these things get passed.


1,349 posted on 01/23/2007 6:53:53 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: flaglady47

Here, here! We've got a small business. We're a insurance group of TWO. Our insurance costs us a thousand dollars a month, and we're sure not running around like Paris Hilton, burning money.

Sure, punish anyone who achieves. It's the New American Way.


1,421 posted on 01/23/2007 6:57:00 PM PST by Darnright
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To: flaglady47
I hate socialism. I hate paying more taxes and that is exactly what this is all about. I agree with you completely.
1,501 posted on 01/23/2007 6:59:50 PM PST by bubbleb
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To: flaglady47

My company gives me a free membership in a health club. So every year, I have an imputed income that I have to put on my return, and I pay tax on that income that I never see.

Why should other taxpayers pay higher taxes so that I can get a free health club membership? If an individual has to pay for health insurance with post-tax dollars, why should I get my insurance with pre-tax dollars?


1,770 posted on 01/23/2007 7:12:54 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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