[rollo tomasi]

Limited govenrnment was wounded in 1913/Wilson's Presidency and FDR's reign was the killing blow.

LBJ/Nixon poked sticks in it to make sure it was dead.

We need to start over which is impossible right now.

[tfelice]

I'm glad that I don't have a defeatist attitude.

It's not impossible. We just need the right guy, someone from outside the two party system, that can be a leader.

I have said for a while now the best bet for conservatives is to leave the GOP en masse and join or form a third party. Only something of that magnitude will allow the message of conservatism to be heard and allow new faces to be shown as leaders of the movement.